The propaganda tactics from the GOP are also the same. Take a look at Lügenpresse. Fomenting distrust in a free press is a necessity if you want to replace it with a controlled press.
Just now figuring this out are ya? Welcome to the present, glad your finally paying attention.
If you’re only valuing similarities, then your missing the differences. When you see the differences, you can see the points of tensions that can arise. And if you’re not historically contextualizing it, you won’t know how this moment is unique and conditioned.
Politically, you still need to organize with people, probe for weaknesses, and attack knowing how mucher weaker you are than the state. This is the same for all responses. But what you do needs to be a unique response to the unique moment with unique weaknesses.
No that’s what we’ve been saying for 8 years
You know, for this whole election cycle, many, many people have been commenting on the parallels between Trump/MAGA and the rise of the Nazi party. It hasn’t just been people on social media, there have been lots of well cited articles. Take a look at this Guardian piece from the summer.
So yes, the parallels are so significant that it makes people wonder if it’s coincidental or a playbook.
In your honest opinion do you think he will try to get rid of voting so he can remain in power like Hitler did?
We are already well along the road of elections being fairly meaningless. Not because the results aren’t counted accurately but because elections can be swayed by numerous mechanisms including voter suppression (voter ID laws, redistricting, restrictions on polling places and methods, etc) and propaganda. Combine that with economic suppression via wealth inequality that results in low-information voters being the norm and you have a relatively easy mechanism to “win” elections that’s legal and constitutional.
Hitler didn’t get into power by being a dictator, he became one through a series of events. The Reichstag fire was a pretext Hindenburg declaring a state of emergency which not only gave Nazi’s the ability to frame and dissent or opposition as traitorous, it also lent “credence” to their propaganda about the threat of communism, allowing them to further consolidate power in the 1933 election.
History rhymes.
He doesn’t need to. Elections will happen as usual, but states with Republican-led governments will report favorable results for Republicans regardless of the reality.
I would definitely not put it beyond him. The only thing that could really prevent this would be his death. Be glad that Trump is way older than Hitler was in 1933.
Absolutely. If Trump dies till then someone else will just take over. America wont have free elections for decades to come.
The scary thing is that Republicans have the holy political trinity right now. Control of the executive as well as both legislative branches. They could easily pass an amendment to nix the 22nd.
That’s not how the amendment process works. They’d need a 2/3 majority vote in both the House and the Senate to launch a proposal or 2/3 of the states to hold a constitutional convention; once the amendment is proposed, 3/4 of the states would have to ratify it.
Besides, even a simple majority requirement wouldn’t guarantee success - for example, see the clown show for the GOP House speakership, Senators Manchin (I; D before 2024) and Sinema (I; D before Dec 2022) voting no on various Democratic initiatives, or Senator McCain (R) voting no on the ACA repeal.
There was actually a point where we were two state governorships away from the GOP being able to hold that convention, but that’s still just the proposal.
It doesn’t matter how things are should work or how they used to work. Nothing and no one will stop the repugs from doing anything they want.
He’s got the supreme court on his side, what stopping him making up just forcing things through as emergency measures?
Nothing. The Supreme Court has no oversight whatsoever and can rule that anything is legal (or illegal) with no way to challenge it.
I’ll be surprised if he lives long enough for that - he’s old and has a terrible diet - but he said at a fundraiser that people would only need to vote one more time, which many took to mean that’s all he’d need to stay in power. He tried a failed coup in 2020, so clearly doesn’t care if it’s lawful or not. Would anyone be surprised?
If you want to see Nazi late stage-like behaviour, look at Israel.
The Republicans with Trump are more like Mussolini, even down to how Trump seems less of a warmonger than the Democrats but still supports the present day Nazis.
Both parties in the US supporting some kind of Fascism has a very 1930s vibe to it and if the Democrats had won, that would still be the case.
It’s just that in places like Lemmy you’re exposed to a lot of Political Propaganda from the Democrat Party which is just subtlety-free maximum alarmism (it was their main technique during the election campaign) so obviously the perception it induces is that their opposition is of the worst possible kind of Far Right Populist (ironic when the Democrats in Israel support something a lot more like Nazism at its later most extremelly racist and murderous stage) when the reality, whilst likely bad, is subtly different: as I pointed out and judging by his previous presidence, Trump doesn’t seem to be a warmonger, which makes him less of a warmonger that the Democrats often are and hence makes him more like the Fascist Autoritarians of the Mussolini kind than those of the Hitler kind.
It doesn’t help that the typically well educated person is overeducated on Nazism and undereducated on all other forms of Fascism, so all far-right populism wanna-be autocrats seem to those people to be like the only system like that they’ve learned enough about: Nazism.
You really think Lemmy is fully of democrats?
This is why Republicans have been eroding education and trying to remove state and federal curriculum requirements.
They have been teaching their children. That Nazis were misunderstood.
This has always been the goal.
And they want to mainstream “selecting their own education” with federally funded education credits to make the tax payers fund their brainwashing camps.
I’m curious when you got this inkling
Nah, you’re right.
Read some history books about Germany 1925-1945, and you will notice eerie similarities.
The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by William Shirer is a must read.
It should have been taught in school.
I first read this as “by William Shatner.” For a moment, I thought, “I didn’t know Mr. Shatner dabbled in academic historical analysis…”
Apparently he was an econ major. McGill’s a prestigious university as well, though I’m not sure what the rep was in the 50s.
As an American thats what scares me.
You know how before he was elected, people would point out that his favourite book was mein campf and his favourite people were all dictators and that alot of the stuff he was saying and doing was the same stuff hitler was saying and doing to get into power? And also how literally every day people would say, “he’s the next hitler” or “he’s trying to become the next hitler”…
That is still true now after he is elected too.
His own damn VP pick called him americans Hitler.
The 2nd Weimar Republic has fallen. Americans should never again question how Hitler came to power.
No one with a brain ever “questioned” how. History has all the evidence needed
You cite a very crucial requirement that few people seem to have in abundance of late.
Republican governed states have the lowest rankings for education, health, and basically every measure of standards of living.
Poor, angry, uneducated. Trained to hate others, especially and specifically, democrats, lefties, and all things socialized.
Perfect obedient soldiers.
I’m in a deep red state. I’m poor, angry, but well educated.
I was raised to care about and respect others no matter their background and upbringing. I’m a social Democrat supporter. So what does that make me other than an anomaly.
It frustrates me to no end when people paint all the people in red states with such a broad brush.
People say this to sound cool but they don’t think it through.
All watching it happen in real time has done is made it more clear that it still makes no sense.
I agree that it makes no sense, especially if you are a casual observer like so many. But I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that this was the exact plan from the moment Jan 6 failed.
Make no mistake, the coup is complete. Nobody did what was necessary to prevent it.
I don’t think trump is proposing concentration camps
They’re not “concentration camps” they’re just “round up ranches” for the “millions of illegals.” I wonder what conditions will be like at them…
Just concepts of concentration camps
I don’t think Hitler was proposing concentration camps either before he took office, so…
Not in exact words, that I am aware of. But he has proposed rounding up illegal immigrants and locking up political enemies, protesters, as well as going after “the enemy within”. And has countless mentions of making an enemies list that has included everything from people who donated to Nikki Hailey to LGBT people or Democrats.
He wants to implement the Enemies Act of 1798 that was last used in WWII to place American citizens of Japanese descent in internment camps.
He has also recently proposed relocating the homeless, drug addicts and mentally ill to somewhere with cheap land.
He did say they can bring in doctors but given he is putting them there to remove them from society, the involuntary nature, and the massive funding cuts he wants in the federal government I would expect these to be terrible places.
Anyway we look at it he has been saying that he wants to detain millions of people in various ways for various reasons. What he does after that isn’t entirely clear and can devolve with time. With unchecked power it’s now almost completely in the hands of one person who was elected saying he wants this. Hitler didn’t run for office saying he would kill the jews, lgbt, disabled etc either.
I’m hesitant to answer this in case I’m targetted. They just shot a black guy who called the police instead of his psychopath knife-wielding intruder.
I read up on Kristallnacht after the SO brought it up in discussion. It was not comforting.
At least you know what to expect.
We’re a damned big country, and well-armed. Surely it won’t be as easy to bring under the thumb? Resistance will be a LOT less futile?
Those “well regulated militia” were a joke from the word go.
A huge proportion of the electorate either voted for fascism or couldn’t be bothered to vote against it.
Resistance isn’t futile, but it’s going to be expensive.
The people trump pandered to are specifically the most well-armed people. And the ones with the least barrier to using them. I really hope it goes the way you think it will, but it certainly doesn’t seem like it will be in the good guys favour if it does come down to actual combat. Good guys have less weapons and more hesitation to use them.
The only portion that is well armed are the Republicans. Democrats spent the last thirty years demonizing gun ownership and enacting laws to restrict people from purchasing them.
Only a pathetically insignificant number of Leftists own firearms, including myself. And even fewer spend any time per month training with them, and may as well donate them to Republicans because even the most operator-level ergonomic high tech guns are worthless paperweights without regular training.
If anything the Trump fiasco has shown how stupid the argument of using guns to prevent a dictatorship is. A couple people tried to kill the wannabe dictator and were villified by both sides.
Americans will never rise up against the government. More than half of those who can vote chose the fascism. He controls the military. All of you could be armed and you wouldnt get through to him. Have fun shooting a hellfire missilie with your AR
He controls the military. All of you could be armed and you wouldnt get through to him. Have fun shooting a hellfire missilie with your AR
Vietnam. Afghanistan.
