Our demands

  1. Return the site’s moderation practice to it’s former, libs-banned-on-site glory. Move forward to a new, glorious form of banning theory inspired by TC69 thought, while learning from it’s mistakes, and listening to neurodivergent comrades
  2. Reinvigorate the heart of this site’s community, c/furry
  3. Remove r*ddit karma
        • Finger [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          52·
          1 year ago

          the attitude of “ban anything that even remotely sniffs of liberalism” did lead to an incident where TC69 banned a user for a small misunderstanding, then doubled down and re-banned the user with no explaination after the other admins unbanned them, and then basically the entire c/neurodiverse mod team quit the site because or that.

          hugely problematic behavior from a site admin. an unapologetic “everyone with a bad take or who ever upsets a frequent user deserves to be banned” is lazy moderating and hurts ND people

          edit: fuck i posted from the bit account by accident

          • WithoutFurtherDelay [they/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
            19·
            1 year ago

            Oh, that’s what happened. Holy shit, I’ve been confused about what happened to the mod team for literally years. Were some of the c/furry mods part of that exodus? I remember some of them leaving

            No: more half measures Walter

            • BadTakesHaver [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              19·
              1 year ago

              Some of them were definitely on the c/furry mod team. Reason that mod team kinda just dissapeared without saying anything is because the incident was about “im leaving” callout posts, which led to the ban of “im leaving” posts in general, and the modteam (if i can recall) was too alienated and sad to really fight anymore about it. Hoping for a revival of that comm soon

          • Egon [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            9·
            1 year ago

            Yeah I never really liked TC69s style. She was big on assuming the worst when people disagreed with her, then digging her heels in and using her clout to foment a dogpile. I think it was good all the transphobes got banned, but she kind of just banned whoever she wanted and then said they were transphobic or whatever.
            She also made two huge “I’m leaving you’re all transphobes” posts as far as I can recall.
            It was around the same time a lot of people got banned for reacting negatively to how r/vcj got onboarded. Nowadays the story was a bunch of sweet old vegans just got harassed as soon as they showed up. Guess I never got called a

            cw: sa

            rapist

            for drinking milk. Disagreeing with this onboarding in any way was likely to get you banned too.

            Edit: if this gets removed for misinformation I’d sincerely and in good faith like to ask for an explanation on what that misinfo is.

          • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
            14·
            1 year ago

            isnt “they” is what people use when they don’t know the gender? I use it all the time in help desk tickets since many names i couldn’t guess the gender. ive been on this site too much and never seen someone be miffed about using “they.”

            • YearOfTheCommieDesktop [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              20·
              1 year ago

              yeah but it also becomes the liberal’s version of misgendering for people who don’t 100% pass or who a lib just wants to be shitty to. It’s simply misgendering but with plausible deniability in many cases, so people on here (where basically everyone has pronouns listed) get a little touchy about it since there’s kinda no excuse at that point

              • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                21·
                1 year ago

                yes, how dare that person(who commented above) not click the profile link and check out what a long inactive and once problematic admin preferred, instead of defaulting to “i don’t know.” What an egregious crime.

                Let’s not be a parody of ourselves. It’s important to read a persons intent and not just their words.(which sounds like me being a lib, but it’s the internet. youre reading words without any tone or emotion so you have to process it differently)

                • YearOfTheCommieDesktop [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  24·
                  1 year ago

                  Good thing I didn’t say that shrug-outta-hecks

                  I’m not saying crucify them, geez, I’m just explaining why it’s sometimes touchy despite generally being “the default when you don’t know”. That user is talking about how they were around at the time and knew her/were driven away by her, so idk, it’s not 100% unreasonable, esp considering gender figures heavily in her username, but it’s also almost certainly a misunderstanding. Still, no reason to be hostile to a minor correction either. It’s fine.

                • raven [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  12·
                  1 year ago

                  The addition of the “and once problematic” bit makes it sound like you’re suggesting that she deserves to be misgendered some amount because you don’t respect her. I don’t expect that’s what you meant but you might want to change that wording.

              • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
                8·
                1 year ago

                i didnt think i was crazy there. plus she was responding to Infamousblt, a 3 year user. So im gonna go ahead and doubt that person is some awful transphobe. I guess milistanaccount09 also should have also checked a profile huh?

                • D61 [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  10·
                  1 year ago

                  I dunno, if this were some long in depth conversation about another person, sure. We could do more diligence and stuff but this isn’t one of those conversations so it seems okay to use more generic pronouns should be acceptible.

                  Maybe it helps one of the last conversations I had with them before their final logout was after a book club reading of Trans Liberation: Beyond Pink or Blue and they were feeling that they might be a bit more fluid than they had previously thought.

            • milistanaccount09 [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              17·
              1 year ago

              There’s a tendency among people in general to misgender trans women and specifically trans women by referring to them with singular ‘they’ despite the fact that other pronouns are clearly listed at the top of their profiles. I had actually been reading a few posts on a different site today by trans women I know being affected by this same phenomenon, which was one of the reasons I was particularly peeved.

              I think that in the digital era it’s very inexcusable to get the wrong pronouns for someone: you’re always just one or two mouse clicks away from knowing someone’s pronouns (since they’re always in someone’s profile 99% of the time). I understand that you might not have meant anything by it! I myself was affected by a bunch of internalized transmisogyny brainworms for some time

            • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              9·
              1 year ago

              what milistanaccount09 said was bananas and sounds like TC69 thought. milistanaccount09 is a 2 month old user, and you and D61 are here 3 years so i dont think youre transphobes. milistanaccount09 should have clicked your profile link and figured out the intent instead of going rabid.

  • Walk_On [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    26·
    1 year ago

    Critical support for TC69. It sounds like she made some mistakes while going through a rough patch. While I think alienating members of c/neurodiverse was a bad move, it seems like some people in this thread have an ax to grind and are using the opportunity bash her. I think she did a lot of good for the site and things would be very different if she didn’t step in.

    • WithoutFurtherDelay [they/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      28·
      1 year ago

      I agree but I do think their axes to grind seem somewhat justifiable.

      On the other hand, she’s the only reason it’s the site was ever a safe space for trans people. A complete commitment to dunking on bigots is essential. That doesn’t mean that people don’t have valid criticisms of how she moderated, just that there was some merit to it

      • Walk_On [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        16·
        1 year ago

        And you maybe right, but I don’t know. There are have been other occasions where I’ve seen people write negative things about her and it’s always rubbed me the wrong way. I’m willing to accept good faith criticisms of her actions like the one I mentioned before, but certain comments in this thread don’t sit right with me. Attempts at revisionism perhaps? I don’t know.

        • BadTakesHaver [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          20·
          1 year ago

          ok maybe im living up to my username here but to me TC69 is like the Stalin of mods

          valid to criticize for stuff like recriminalizing homosexually (or ableism), invalid to criticize bc of red scare shit (or transphobia). they both did a lot of good overall

        • WithoutFurtherDelay [they/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
          15·
          1 year ago

          I think that, historically, people criticizing TC69 were always transphobic pieces of shit so I don’t think you’re wrong to feel that way

          Something definitely did happen with the c/furry mod team, though , which means some aspect of these criticisms have to be correct. I’m not sure what, though, and it may not have even been TC69’s fault.

        • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
          14·
          1 year ago

          TC69’s vision for the site was entirely orthogonal to it’s original purpose. Better for some people? Absolutely. Other’s hated it, because it was taking the sub away from it’s /r/cth roots, and so obviously the people that wanted to stay true to that style of posting are going to be bitter about her and her tenure.

    • ajorge [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      18·
      1 year ago

      TC69 was one of the only admin voices that tried to help bring down the vegan circlejerk migration struggle session

      miss her for that

      • YearOfTheCommieDesktop [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        we already don’t do downvotes, nor does lemmy have account-wide karma. I guess we could stop showing the upbear count of posts and comments. IMO the point is the ordering on the page not the actual number.

        I’ve never been someone to be particularly motivated by upbear numbers, so I don’t think it’s a big deal, but maybe it would be good for some people, and I don’t really give a shit if we drop them. The only thing I use them for is a sort of crude “read/seen” indicator. If someone has upvoted then at least one person has read my post/comment

  • cosecantphi [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    Everyone is speaking about TC69 and other early admins and mods in the past tense. I was under the impression that they were all still here among us but simply had to switch to anonymized accounts to moderate with as a precaution after what happened to Beatnik. Did they all really leave the site or something?