• TrustingZebra@lemmy.one
      53·
      1 year ago

      The thing I dislike most about Atlassian products is that each of them has a completely different formatting engine and markup syntax. You’d think they’d be consistent but noooo

      • CountVon@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        21·
        1 year ago

        Atlassian doesn’t even have consistency within single products! I’m using Jira Cloud at work, and while most fields support markdown (e.g. three backticks to start a code block) there are a few that only support Jira’s own notation (e.g. {code} to start a code block). It’s always infuriating when I type some markdown in one of the fields that doesn’t support it for some inexplicable reason.

        • sznio@lemmy.world
          5·
          1 year ago

          Try to do any formatting more complex than none at all in Confluence. It just gets polluted with invisible markup and changes styling randomly.

        • TrustingZebra@lemmy.one
          8·
          1 year ago

          Both Bitbucket and Confluence partially support Markdown, but they implement it in different ways, which is maddening.

    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      33·
      1 year ago

      Jira Developers: for the love of god can we PLEASE stop trying to shoehorn literally fucking everything into our platform?

      Jira PMs: slaps roof this bad boy can fit so much scope creep

    • bananaw@sh.itjust.works
      131·
      1 year ago

      I’ve been having trouble getting syntax highlighting to work on my ‘```’ fenced code blocks. I give it the right/supported language identifier, but nothing changes.

      I’m using neovim with a bunch of lsp plugins and treesitter. Anyone have dotfiles with markdown code syntax highlighting working?

      • naught@sh.itjust.works
        6·
        1 year ago

        Are u using Mason and LSPconfig?

        edit: Oh, I don’t know that getting syntax highlighting in the blocks is something i’ve seen

      • ocelot@lemmy.sdf.org
        2·
        1 year ago

        Have you installed the treeesitter grammars for those languages with :TSInstall language_name or in your treesitter config?

  • massive_bereavement@kbin.social
    561·
    1 year ago

    Discovering obsidian has been a blessing for my sanity and made me less lazy for taking notes.

    Plus I can use latex to transform md into docx and there’s decent pdf support so I don’t need to play with the circus of WYSIWYG pain that’s MS Word.

    • FlexibleToast@lemmy.world
      12·
      1 year ago

      I have obsidian installed, but I haven’t really looked into how to use it. It has been on my list of things I should probably learn for a long time now

      • Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        7·
        1 year ago

        I am probably just an idiot but i find writing proper notes with links etc very tedious, in obsidian.

        So i end uo just typing everything into a few documents based on the doc title. Which means i might as well just use notepad

        • FlexibleToast@lemmy.world
          2·
          1 year ago

          I was using MarkText and a fairly structured set of directories. I switched to Bookstack which allows me to do essentially the same thing but with a web interface and the ability to share with even using RBAC. It doesn’t do the cool linking stuff though.

          • SkinnyTimmy@lemm.ee
            2·
            1 year ago

            Randomly seeing German compound-words in the wild being used as a technical term is always funny to me for some reason

      • massive_bereavement@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        I think the use cases are different, as Zettlr seems like a pure publication tool but Obsidian (at least originally) was more of a personal note organizer that grew due to having community plugins.

        I do agree though that Zettlr is a better publication tool, though I wouldn’t change Obsidian for it as a personal organizer/kb.

    • drislands@lemmy.world
      4·
      1 year ago

      Obsidian is what I used to keep my notes while playing Book of Hours. It was a fantastic tool and I’ll definitely use it in the future!

      • massive_bereavement@kbin.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        How’s the Book of Hours? I played a good deal of Cultist Simulator, but it tends to suck me in and I recover few hours later without an understanding what just happened.

      • massive_bereavement@kbin.social
        3·
        1 year ago

        Definitely, I said latex but I wanted to mean Pandoc.
        The only thing is that applying a docx theme format to Pandoc was very challenging, although I would blame docx, not pandoc.

  • verstra@programming.devEnglish
    521·
    1 year ago

    This is the way.

    Almost completely pure way of storing ideas. With this I mean that you don’t store unnecessary data such as “background should be white” or “left page margin is 1.3cm”. It’s just text. What’s important is what it says + minimal markup.

    Presentation is left to the reader’s client. Do you want dark mode? Get a markdown editor/reader that supports it. Do you want serif font? Again, that’s client’s choice and not part of the document.

    I wish browsers would support markdown out of the box, so you could open https://example.com/some-post.md

    • jadero@programming.dev
      42·
      1 year ago

      Old fart warning!

      Presentation is left to the reader’s client. Do you want dark mode? Get a markdown editor/reader that supports it. Do you want serif font? Again, that’s client’s choice and not part of the document.

      I remember when that is how the web worked. All that markup was to define the structure of the document and the client rendered it as set by the user.

      Some clients were better than others. My favourite was the default browser in OS/2 Warp, which allowed me to easily set the display characteristics of every tag. The end result was that every site looked (approximately) the same, which made browsing so much nicer, in my opinion.

      Then someone decided that website creation should be part of the desktop publishing class (at least at the school I taught at). The world (wide web) has never recovered.

      • ShortFuse@lemmy.world
        9·
        1 year ago

        We’re kinda getting it back with the Accessibility tree

        In theory, if the page is compiled right, you can read everything right from there. You could also interact with it.

        • jadero@programming.dev
          4·
          1 year ago

          Thanks. This is the first I’ve heard of the Accessibility tree. A quick look kind of spooked me, but I’ll dig deeper.

          • OffByOneError@programming.dev
            4·
            1 year ago

            Looks kind of simple to me at first glance…

            There are four properties in an accessibility tree object:

            name

            How can we refer to this thing? For instance, a link with the text “Read more” will have “Read more” as its name (find more on how names are computed in the Accessible Name and Description Computation spec).

            description

            How do we describe this thing, if we want to provide more description beyond the name? The description of a table could explain what kind of information the table contains.

            role

            What kind of thing is it? For example, is it a button, a nav bar, or a list of items?

            state

            Does it have a state? Examples include checked or unchecked checkbox states and collapsed or expanded states for the <summary> element.

            https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Glossary/Accessibility_tree </summary>

            • jadero@programming.dev
              2·
              1 year ago

              Looks kind of simple to me at first glance…

              Well, it has been a decade since I’ve done anything other than dig holes (literally), drive school buses, and work in my shop. :)

              Thanks for the jump start. I’ll add this to my ever growing list of tech stuff I’d like to tackle in my retirement.

    • KrokanteBamischijf
      9·
      1 year ago

      It’s a simple and elegant way of covering 95% of document structuring needs, while being as close to readable plaintext as possible.

      The vast majority of documents currently written in MS-word could just be markdown. The vast majority of web content could just be markdown. This would save the modern world petabytes of XML bloat.

      If you need something fancier, either use a vector format or do fancy client-side styling.

  • haruki@programming.dev
    27·
    1 year ago

    Markdown is good. I use it when working in the company since the format is ubiquitous. I do writing my blog posts with Markdown (Hugo for the curious).

    But personally, or working with a bit more niche team, for writing personal documentation I prefer Asciidoc [0]. It has better syntax and have some nice functionalities like Table of Contents.

    For personal notes, nothing can surpass Org Mode [1].

    [0] https://asciidoc.org

    [1] https://orgmode.org

    • keegomatic@kbin.social
      11·
      1 year ago

      I’m vaguely aware of Org-mode but only as an alternative to Markdown. Last time I looked into it, though (years ago), Markdown seemed like a much better option for me for various reasons. Do you have a good argument for why Org-mode is a better choice for common use cases than the relatively universal GitHub-flavored Markdown?

      • benneti@programming.dev
        6·
        1 year ago

        depending on what you do there are large benefits, for me they are executable code blocks (i.e. jupyter like experience) and way better latex support (if you type equations that are more involved this is rather important).

      • poVoq@slrpnk.net
        5·
        1 year ago

        Much better ToDo list system with calendar integration and notifications via mobile apps.

      • Chobbes@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        Org mode is great, particularly if you’re already in the Emacs ecosystem because it can do a lot of stuff. Calendars, executable code blocks, spreadsheets, time tracking, org-roam for more ad-hoc notes and searching, capture templates for ingesting data…

        I like org mode’s markup format a lot better than markdown’s. It’s a bit easier to do complicated things with escaping and stuff, and it supports syntax highlighting for different languages in code blocks, and LaTeX markup and stuff (which it can even display inline if you want).

        As far as I am concerned the only reason to use markdown is that more people are familiar with it and there’s better support for it on certain platforms. These are certainly good enough reasons to use markdown, but in my experience if you’re in the position to use org-mode it’s just so much better.

  • Father_Redbeard@lemmy.ml
    15·
    1 year ago

    I was looking for a journaling app that didn’t have vendor locking, or required some weird export dump that messed your formatting and folders up. That lead me to Markdown and Obsidian. I love it. And when I die, that shit will still be readable by any basic text editor.

      • Father_Redbeard@lemmy.ml
        3·
        1 year ago

        I don’t remember why, but there was some reason I wrote off LogSeq. I tried so many apps but Obsidian was the best fit for me. Maybe I’ll have to try Logseq again and remember…

          • Father_Redbeard@lemmy.ml
            1·
            1 year ago

            I actually started that afterwards! I have a whole section about my self hosting adventures and hunt for a Google Keep replacement.

            • NightAuthor@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              Did you find a suitable Keep replacement?

              I’m still figuring out how exactly I want to use LogSeq, but for now it’s kinda acting as a Calendar, Journal, Me Wiki, ToDoList, and general notes scratchpad. I’m not sure how organized I can keep it, but it definitely is nice opening 1 app, and being able to put anything and everything in the journal page for today, just #hashtagging topics for searchability/Discoverability.

              • Father_Redbeard@lemmy.ml
                2·
                1 year ago

                Sort of…I’m still testing various apps. The big draw for me to Keep was mobile and web apps. I will often sit at a computer to input even short ToDo because phone swipe keyboards and me do not get along. There is no shortage of Keep clones, but a bunch are missing sync function entirely or require Nextcloud, which is way too much app for my hardware and I’m not standing up an instance just to sync some notes. Here’s a not very formal rundown of what I’ve so far:

                • Joplin - seems like a solid app and you can easily selfhost the server. But the android app is awful. That and the fact it stores Markdown files in a sqlite db had me look elsewhere

                • Quillpad - a fork of Quillnote. Looks identical to Keep. Only syncs with Nextcloud and has some quirks. The big one was creating a To Do list with checkboxes from the Notes app in NC displays correctly in Quillpad, but you cannot interact with them at all. So strange.

                • Zoho Notebook - Zoho as a company is likely the closest you’ll get for a straight up Google replacement. But their privacy policy has some concerning statements regarding sharing data with “market partners”. It was enough for me to keep looking.

                • Carnet - only syncs with Nextcloud and for some reason the Android app is stupid slow.

                • Memos - more of a microblogging app. Similar format to Twitter but you can keep it all private and publish nothing. This one has no official app, in favor of a well done progressive web app. Also stores .md in a db file. Incredibly easy to self host. I keep wanting to love this one, but the single column view (think Twitter threads) as opposed to Keeps grid…i don’t know. I still have it up on my server since it takes almost nothing to run and I keep playing with it.

                The two contenders for me right now have some amazing promise and nice features already, but it’s whats on their roadmaps that has intrigued me more:

                • Acreom - not FOSS yet and the mobile app can only sync with their cloud. No E2EE…yet. On desktop it’s great. You can use it without an account and like Obsidian, it stores it in flat .md. The To Do/Task function has some natural language processing that can recognize date/time for due dates like “Deploy patches Wednesday at 4am” would recognize Wednesday as Sept 20th since that’s the next closest date and the time at 4am. I think once they open source it and at least allow local only storage on a phone, it’ll be killer. I’d love to use Syncthing to just keep my pile of notes up to date between multiple devices. Not possible on mobile yet. This one is geared more towards developers to track projects, even offers a Jira tie in (gross).

                • Notesnook - somewhat recently open source. Has great apps for all OSes as well as a web app. And what is really nice is that the UI is consistent across platforms. They have a paid tier that’s a bit spendy for my liking, but they are working on a self hosting option that will be free of course. The dev did tell me they’re toying with the idea of a charge for commercial self hosters, but definitely not for individuals. This one isn’t in plain .md due to their selling point, which is encrypted everything.

                • NightAuthor@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  Wow, thanks for the write-up. Joplin, Memos, Acreom sound/look the most interesting. Notesnook’s feature lockouts on the free tier makes me feel like they may not be included in the self-hosted option, that seems like a common practice. But I’ll keep an eye out… I’m gonna copy this whole thing into my page on notes-apps for later reference.

          • stewsters@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            I think he means from his phone. Obsidian is great to just sync if you have a git client, but kinda a pain from the phone app unless you pay.

            • smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de
              1·
              1 year ago

              At least on Android and iOS. Other systems like PostmarketOS or Mobian can use Git just like computers.

              (This is mostly a joke)

          • Father_Redbeard@lemmy.ml
            1·
            1 year ago

            I’ll admit I’m a sucker for a good UI, and I’m very picky apparently. And as much as I like Markdown, I like looking at rendered Markdown more, lol. I was just looking at GitJournal and Markor and my god…hideous apps.

            I came from DayOne, and their format is some json that I wasnt too keen on for future proofing.

  • lambalicious@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    5·
    1 year ago

    Eh, while Markdown is nice I think Dokuwiki’s syntax is infinitively better for any kind of text that ends up involving programming code. It also has a header syntax that makes sense, albeit rather cumbersome. And it also makes a proper distinction between italics and underline which are two different, standard typographical effects and not the same thing as Markdown seems to believe; and between ordered and unordered lists (let alone nested lists).

    Just about the only bad thing is I haven’t been able to find an editor that supports it. Probably because, to my knowledge, no self-standing / independent renderer exists for it (the parser and renderer seem to be tightly integrated into the content manager).