Ok, but give us some credit.
It was only last weekend we had a national holiday to celebrate how we treated the natives.
We crammed it into the calendar immediately before Thanksgiving, where we celebrate what we did to the natives.
Thanksgiving, where we celebrate what we did to the natives.
Despite all the awful things that settlers have done to Aboriginals in Canada (and Native Americans in the USA), neither country’s Thanksgiving is about that. Canada’s Thanksgiving was originally a celebration of arrival in the New World. Over time, it became a harvest celebration.
I’ve got a shit ton of vegetables from my garden. I’m thankful for that and I’m going to share them with my friends.
The arrival that led to the murder of the indigenous
Be sure to also avoid any Oktoberfest celebrations this month! After all it lead to the murder of 12 million people!
Or is it possible to celebrate German culture without constantly bringing up horrible things Germans have done in history? Maybe it’s possible that it wasn’t beer and lederhosen that lead to genocide?
Could it also be that eating a turkey dinner with your family also doesn’t lead to genocide?
Nah, internet says we should be angry about thanksgiving, so let’s not do any critical thinking about it! BE ANGRY!!!
… Is that a celebration or a remembrance?
I mean, if you give people a long weekend they’re gonna celebrate.
I don’t know any white people who sat around in solemn reflection last weekend, but I know plenty who had an extra day of partying.
You also have to love how it’s a federal holiday in some places. People who work for the government got the day off, but there was practically nothing for the legit indigenous other than seeing people wearing orange shirts.
Idk, it’s weird to me because the government played a massive role in what happened. It’s odd that the provincial government gave themselves a long weekend over it.
I bought a medium mocha with orange sprinkles from Starbucks in solidarity.
Which half the provinces don’t even recognize (as in, not a stat holiday). Not that it really matters that much. No problem has ever been solved by merely declaring a holiday and there’s no shortage of shitty actions speaking louder than any holiday could.
What kind of issue does someone have to have to marginally rotate a red legend box?
I’ve been living outside of Canada for a number of years now. Up until recently, I actually became more proud of Canada. Patriotic even. I almost convinced myself that Canada had something special that the rest of the world didn’t.
That all came crashing down because of three things:
- Unmarked graves of native kids at former residential schools. 250 in BC. 751 in Saskatchewan. They were just kids. How many more haven’t we found?
- Horsy pigs pointing AR-15s at unarmed Wet’suwet’en protestors. On Wet land. In their own homes. Why? For the gall of protesting against the inevitable environmental disaster that the Coastal GasLink pipeline would bring.
- More horsy pigs letting the convidiots run rampant around Ottawa, and hugging and kissing convidiots at the Alberta border.
Kid gloves for white people; violence for natives. It crushed me to realize it, but Canada is an ethno-state like any other.
You lost me at the ethno-state. They are issues to be addressed sure and it’s good to put them on the table instead of shoving them under it but you can’t just cherrypick the worst offenses and conclude ethno-state.
On the topic of unmarked graves, a good essay: https://lemm.ee/post/10348169 - https://aeon.co/essays/we-must-not-forget-what-happened-to-the-worlds-indigenous-children
And the standing ovation and subsequent apologism for an SS volunteer not withstanding.
I think “like any other” is the key take away here.
Canada isn’t any better, but for the most part is also not worse than anyone else in these matters.
That’s not to say that we should be excused for doing the bad things (as a culture/society) because other people also do the bad things and sometimes worse bad things… no. Everyone is guilty. It’s a global problem. The names and groups change, the methods change, the outcomes change somewhat, but the story is largely the same regardless of where you go.
The only logical conclusion is that we have a long way to go before the civilization we have built, could be considered “civilized” in any way, shape, or form.
Kid gloves for white people; violence for natives.
Umm… I’m not sure how to approach this, because I’m pretty sure people don’t care about the facts and just want to push whatever political narrative, but here:
Also man… The freedom convoy was removed, had their accounts frozen, officers that donated to the convoy were disciplined, and docked pay. At the time I compared it against a pipeline protest by native people, and they were both removed in equal time.
Remember Occupy Wallstreet? Go google Occupy Wallstreet Kettling, and tell me how “handled with kitty gloves” people are.
The thing I can’t stand about all of this is Natives recieve tons of support, and recognition in Canada. Like dude. I’m not saying racism doesn’t exist, and I’m not saying there isn’t generational trauma, and other issues, but just as a matter of fact, in Canada under law Natives aren’t given less, they’re given more.
But fuck reality eh.
Not sure I’d be confident linking to sky news and using the term “reality”.
It’s called Restitutions. It’s when white people say 'My bad!!’ and bashfully try and make good of the atrocities they have orchestrated in the past against ethnic groups, more often than not half hearted and poorly distributed.
“Oh shit! We massacred your tribe and stole your children? What? The children had their teeth yanked out instead of getting dental care? Soorry, eh. Have a field house for your shitty little park.”
The internet will always be be telling you that you should hate your own country. No matter which country you’re from, it’s the worst country in the world. Funny how that is.
The solution as always is to stop electing ‘conservatives’. All people want to move hard with reparations and reconciliation with the exception of RW politicians and their white supremacist base. We need to outnumber them at the polls until they have no say.
Oh fuck! Did hey acctually bring up one body yet. Must have missed it.
Honestly that bit of blue makes the whole thing pop. Looks really good
As a French Canadian (Acadian), I don’t mind it either. It’s a nice looking flag. Something about the blue being proportional to the French speaking population kinda irks me though.
Albertan reporting in. I like it too!
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You Cajuns and your starry tricolore are all right with me!
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I mean… it’s at least a little bit of one
Hahah nice. I like both of these. I thought about the second one but then figured it was too close to the flag of France, even though my peoples flag is basically the France flag with a yellow star in the upper left corner.
I really like the first one too but I also feel like changing the maple leaf to blue would not fly with a lot of people.
Maybe the original Canadian duality flag was the best compromise 😂
Replace the maple with a fleur de lys.
Remember the color for the natives and rejoice.
OOF yeahhhh… oops 💀
That… actually honestly makes it look better. No politics intended, just saying that it looks nice
Looks like a hockey rink
Man, your blue stripe flag is much nicer than our blue stripe flag.
The N in lemmy stands for nuance
I fail to see the nuance in situations like residential schools. Could you perhaps educate me so I can come to a more informed conclusion than sending thousands of indigenous Canadians to schools designed to stripped them of their culture is a bad thing to do.
Oh we’re not even talking about all the ones they straight up murdered and successfully hid for decades in mass graves?
Or the forced sterilisations of indigenous women… many of these things happening in recent years…
I swear i saw this exact post and exchange like 3 months ago O.O
Maybe you’re a time traveller! If I were you, I would use this power for the silliest things as long as they’re funny.
I’ll try and not mess the timeline too much <3
When you piss in the primordial ooze, try to hit one of the clumps that will eventually crawl out of the ocean and lead to my genetic line.
Trust me, that proto-lifeform earned it.
Then don’t reveal that you’re a time traveller blabbermouth!
There were no forced sterilization of indigenous women in Canada on the basis of them being indigenous.
BC and Albert did use forced sterilization on inmates, homosexuals and mental hosiptal releases.
Indigenous women have been talked into sterilization though the years for the same racist eugenics law but that is very different than being forced.
There was no forced sterilization… but it was very incentivized, oh and inmates were forced to. Not the hottest take but nice aerobatics nonetheless
Down one all you want. Dipshit echo chamber.
“Am I out of touch? No, it must be an echo chamber.”
Lemmy leans significantly harder left than Reddit did, I think. It’s hard to have discussions about any of the leftist talking points.
Thankfully lemmy also doesn’t have karma so who tf cares, right?
Truly, but enough people block you because you’re being a insensitive piece of shit, you’ll eventually see barely any new posts or comments.
Decades? The “Starlight Tours” have been happening more recently than that.
Oh, you’re talking about the other thing. Too many of them to keep track of…
Starlight tours are so fucked up man
The country has acknowledged the atrocities of residential schools for many years. If you want to criticize the current state of affairs by all means go ahead, but you are not contributing to the discussion in any way by pointing out residential schools were a bad thing.
There is a large portion of the country that still denies it. In catholic schools they don’t take that native remembrance holiday off. Which is crazy to me.
BC just had the conservative party leader saying residential schools and SOGI are the same thing.
What’s SOGI
Sexual orientation and gender identity.
Oh. What a fucking idiot. How did he say they’re the same?
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Oh yeah, they’ve acknowledged it alright.
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T&R is a thing
The R in lemmy stands for Reasonable good-faith discussion
I nor this post itself referenced residential schools before your inflammatory reply. Come back when you’ve taken off the internet boxing gloves.
Ok but at least explain where the nuance is missing?
Well for one there’s been leaps and bounds in paying reparations to first Nations groups, and despite not paying taxes they still get regular economic, infrastructure, and other help from the government. We have an entire truth and reconciliation commission dedicated to fixing the mistakes of the past.
It’s not a perfect situation and progress is needed, but reductive posts like this do nothing to help the discussion up here. Our own problems get drowned out by Americans simplifying them for their small brains and regurgitating
And 9/10 times when you see one of these posts, it’s from an American (and/or largely commented on by Americans saying “Canada bad!”)
We spent a hundred years as allies, and then the two dumbest presidents to ever exist poisoned our relationship, and now the only time an American even mentions Canada it’s either to dunk on us for their own satisfaction or to make an argument in their senseless “Left” vs “Right” culture war screaming match.
I hated it at the time, but I legitimately miss the days when it was all “eh” and “hoser” and “maple syrup”, sure it meant they didn’t know anything about us, but at least it wasn’t this endless negativity.
I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about, left leaning Americans seem to talk about Canada positively all of the time, in reference to its health care system and generally aboit how they want their country to be more like Canada. The only thing negative they say is in reference how native people have been treated and still continue to be treated there which I think is right.
I am not from either country and this is just based on what I see Americans online say about Canada/Canadians.
You mean they mention us when it is politically convenient for them? That is exactly the “Left” vs “Right” culture war I was talking about, you disagreed with me then said exactly what I was saying lol, they only ever mention us to dunk on us (largely the right doing this, because they view us as a left wing country) or for their political screaming match (the left regarding healthcare, or again because they view us as a left wing country).
There is no nuance in human rights.
Also, this is lemmyshitpost, tf you want
Indigenous rights in Canada is like the silent ‘b’ in doubt
It’s there, no one pronounces it and everyone hates it when they have to write it.
As someone with English as their second, not first language…
THE B IS SILENT? I ALWAYS PRONOUNCED IT. DID I DO IT WRONG?
Yes. Please tell me you don’t also pronounce the K in knife.
I kenow better
I do…
Yes, you did it wrong.
…why is the bottom 50 pixels or so cut off the image?
The deep state censored it
meme was probably stolen and the name of the original creator cut out
Contains the fourth thing Canada is comprised of…
Sharp angles?
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Some just dont have to look very hard
The purple in China’s flag stands for freedom
China has the CCP not the PPC
PPC is the only real China. CCP are fakes.
Is this a shitpost because blue actually represents the Quebecois who view themselves as oppressed the way they oppressed Indigenous People, for whom orange/yellow/black/red/white are more representative colours?
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The leaf hides a bunch if Nazi runes.
Runes are not nazi. Use by Nazis is misappropriation of Norse mythology.
so is the swastika but you still get banned from Minecraft servers for building one at spawn 😡
I wouldn’t know.
Canada influenced the Nazis, not the other way around.
Fucking excuse me?
Hitler’s American model describes Hitler’s dreams to match the power of the colonial powers of the day, Britain and France. But his inspiration came from the colonies themselves. In this book the American model with regard to race is explored, rather than canadian systems, but clearly Canada is not very different in that regard.
Some highlights:
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The Nazis found that the one-drop rule was too harsh - (only because mixed Jews were somewhat white-passing whereas mixed Black people couldn’t pass and remained legally Black).
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Manifest Destiny inspired Lebensraum (probably Canada and Australia too).
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Nazi Race Law/Blood laws and second class citizenship laws for Jews were inspired by similar laws in the US (‘legal realism’ justification’).
You literally named USA for all 3, get the fuck out of here you hatemonger. The fuck is wrong with you spreading disinformation like this?
I’m describing the ‘highlights’ in the book you illiterate. What’s difficult to understand?
Canada is a state, its not possible to hate-crime Canada you twat.
Who the fuck said hate crime? And your highlights were all the USA so why the fuck would I read your trash book?
You’re fostering hate against another country, nobody said it was a crime but you’re telling lies to discredit a country for no apparent reason.
Blocked, goodbye hatemonger.
Are you denying that Canada is a colonial project? Or are you mad that other people on the internet are aware of your Yaroslav Hunka problem? Of which there are many in Northern America from what I hear.
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Unlikely, seeing as Canada didn’t achieve full legal autonomy until 1982.
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