Nancy Pelosi fretted during a meeting with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez that "Abolish ICE" had been "injected into American political discourse by the Russians," the book says.
alrighty. I’ve watched the democrats sit on their thumbs and do fuck-all for over 40 years. that is the definition of conservative if you remove the fascist parts, which are wholly republican.
they trimmed a conservative love letter to insurance companies by mitt called ‘obamacare’ and called it a huge win while spending trillions policing the world and telling americans what they can do to their bodies.
current democrats are yesterdays republicans. and pelosi? what a conservative cunt.
Democrats should be viewed as an enemy of progressives … because they ARE. They constantly hamstring progress and constantly capitulate to Republicans. They are nothing but an excuse for normies to ignore the rise of fascism. The fact they sometimes slow Republicans down is nothing but the coincidence of having someone who doesn’t vote ENTIRELY in lockstep with the Republicans.
Progressives like AOC being in the Democrat party is nothing but a consequence of our shitty two-party system. I’m positive neither of those fucking ghoul parties would be in power if we had a proper voting system.
Democrats should be viewed as an enemy of progressives … because they ARE. They constantly hamstring progress and constantly capitulate to Republicans. They are nothing but an excuse for normies to ignore the rise of fascism.
No, not democracy itself. That takes many, many forms, and ours (the US, anyways) is an extremely skewed representative democracy where the people themselves don’t even pick two entire branches of government.
When 2/3rds of the government isn’t exactly democratic, I think it’s unfair to use it as the paragon of democratic ideals.
Especially when our two-party system guarantees the options won’t be very representative, either.
No, but then I’m familiar with the ignorant mindset and the gaslighting since I grew up in a conservative family and had to reason my way to the left, and now I have my head above those clouds.
I just wish people would listen when they’re told the view is so much better above the clouds, but some people don’t even want to look at reality, let alone consider it.
I think you need some education. Review this woman’s career and ask yourself honestly how conservative she seems. If what you read on the following page sounds like a conservative to you, I think your definitions are skewed as fuck.
I am shocked that the hardcore leftist also has no qualms about using misogynistic slurs.
By the way, that “conservative love letter to insurance companies” has saved well over 20,000 lives. I’d imagine those people who are not dead might disagree about it having been fuck-all nothing, but I suppose you’d have to ask them.
You’re not wrong, and we should always push for more! But we also shouldn’t delude ourselves into thinking that literally nothing has been accomplished either, particularly when you look at what the other side has been blocking. Biden attempted to institute a $15 minimum wage for federal contractors, which was shot down by a conservative court. The student loan forgiveness was absolutely nuked by the SCOTUS. Just a tiny handful of Republican votes in the Senate could have saved the expanded child tax credit, which had directly observable effects on childhood hunger rates (which shot right back up when it expired).
For issues that hit a bit closer to home for me, the Respect for Marriage Act is a huge comfort allowing me to know that, if I ever have to move to a red state for some terrible reason, my marriage rights will still be upheld. In schools, some basic respect for trans rights has been tied to federal school funding. Trans people are allowed to serve in the military again.
None of these are super huge things, but they are real, and they have meaningful effects on real people’s lives. There are trans teens in high schools, right now, that are able to use the bathroom they want because of Biden. Sure, it’s not universal healthcare or a solved housing crisis, but to them, it is still very real progress, and it’s worth fighting for.
The two parties are big tent parties, often hosting people with disparate opinions on the same issues. The Squad is as Democratic as Pelosi…even though the latter uncritically supports Israeli genocide.
Similarly, the House Freedom Caucus is as Republican as Mitt Romney, even though the latter want to invade Mexico “to stop drug cartels”.
That’s kinda the whole problem with the Republican and Democrat parties: they take a bunch of nuanced political views and then basically turn it into a yes/no poll. I intend to vote for Joe Biden again, but I’m more AOC than Pelosi. I’m 100% certain that there’s a conservative out there that will vote for Trump again that’s more Mitt Romney than Jim Jordan. And I don’t really think that’s a flaw of people, but of the political system itself.
I’m as pragmatic as they get and always trying to understand why people vote the way they do. But if you’re a “moderate republican” and think Trump is still better than Biden/Pelosi, you’re out of touch with reality, brainwashed, or not as moderate as you think.
Thank you, this is exactly what @originalucifer is exhibiting. They ignore all of what Pelosi has fought for over the years, simply because she’s not as far left as they are. And then they categorize anyone not as far left as them as a conservative/Republican. It’s an us-vs-them purity test, designed to sow division, not guild a coalition against actual conservatives/Republicans.
I’ll dare. This is just like Trump’s RHINO garbage. Not pure enough for you?
alrighty. I’ve watched the democrats sit on their thumbs and do fuck-all for over 40 years. that is the definition of conservative if you remove the fascist parts, which are wholly republican.
they trimmed a conservative love letter to insurance companies by mitt called ‘obamacare’ and called it a huge win while spending trillions policing the world and telling americans what they can do to their bodies.
current democrats are yesterdays republicans. and pelosi? what a conservative cunt.
You have said the actual truth.
Democrats should be viewed as an enemy of progressives … because they ARE. They constantly hamstring progress and constantly capitulate to Republicans. They are nothing but an excuse for normies to ignore the rise of fascism. The fact they sometimes slow Republicans down is nothing but the coincidence of having someone who doesn’t vote ENTIRELY in lockstep with the Republicans.
Progressives like AOC being in the Democrat party is nothing but a consequence of our shitty two-party system. I’m positive neither of those fucking ghoul parties would be in power if we had a proper voting system.
They’re literally white moderates.
The fact you’re being downvoted shows there is a depressing number of moderates in the crowd.
Good job, people. Prove you’re incapable of learning from history.
Isn’t democracy literally set up for the moderates to rule?
No, not democracy itself. That takes many, many forms, and ours (the US, anyways) is an extremely skewed representative democracy where the people themselves don’t even pick two entire branches of government.
When 2/3rds of the government isn’t exactly democratic, I think it’s unfair to use it as the paragon of democratic ideals.
Especially when our two-party system guarantees the options won’t be very representative, either.
Maybe I asked the wrong question so let me try again.
Are you surprised the majority of people are moderates?
No, but then I’m familiar with the ignorant mindset and the gaslighting since I grew up in a conservative family and had to reason my way to the left, and now I have my head above those clouds.
I just wish people would listen when they’re told the view is so much better above the clouds, but some people don’t even want to look at reality, let alone consider it.
Because neoliberals always sell us out to corporations. They’re moderate Republicans fiscally when it comes to helping the public.
I think you need some education. Review this woman’s career and ask yourself honestly how conservative she seems. If what you read on the following page sounds like a conservative to you, I think your definitions are skewed as fuck.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Pelosi
Claim they need to be educated, then just link fuggen wikipedia??? and hit ‘reply’?? Im actually a little mad.
That’s your whole comment? Where is your actual political education coming from that you would consider that link in any way acceptable.
Ridiculous!
Whine someplace else, troll.
my calling out your pseudo-intellectualism is trolling now huh? I must be getting old.
How many times over those 40 years did Democrats have a supermajority in the Senate, a majority in the House, and the presidency?
I am shocked that the hardcore leftist also has no qualms about using misogynistic slurs.
By the way, that “conservative love letter to insurance companies” has saved well over 20,000 lives. I’d imagine those people who are not dead might disagree about it having been fuck-all nothing, but I suppose you’d have to ask them.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/health/medicaid-expansion-has-saved-at-least-19000-lives-new-research-finds
While the ACA is better than before, I wonder if 20,000 lives is even half what we’d have saved if we had real universal healthcare.
We certainly wouldn’t have increasingly record insurance, hospital, and pharmacy profits (which are all the same vertical orgs anyway).
You’re not wrong, and we should always push for more! But we also shouldn’t delude ourselves into thinking that literally nothing has been accomplished either, particularly when you look at what the other side has been blocking. Biden attempted to institute a $15 minimum wage for federal contractors, which was shot down by a conservative court. The student loan forgiveness was absolutely nuked by the SCOTUS. Just a tiny handful of Republican votes in the Senate could have saved the expanded child tax credit, which had directly observable effects on childhood hunger rates (which shot right back up when it expired).
For issues that hit a bit closer to home for me, the Respect for Marriage Act is a huge comfort allowing me to know that, if I ever have to move to a red state for some terrible reason, my marriage rights will still be upheld. In schools, some basic respect for trans rights has been tied to federal school funding. Trans people are allowed to serve in the military again.
None of these are super huge things, but they are real, and they have meaningful effects on real people’s lives. There are trans teens in high schools, right now, that are able to use the bathroom they want because of Biden. Sure, it’s not universal healthcare or a solved housing crisis, but to them, it is still very real progress, and it’s worth fighting for.
Don’t be a cunt
Tone Police: In Color!
I’d argue it’s fair in both cases.
The two parties are big tent parties, often hosting people with disparate opinions on the same issues. The Squad is as Democratic as Pelosi…even though the latter uncritically supports Israeli genocide.
Similarly, the House Freedom Caucus is as Republican as Mitt Romney, even though the latter want to invade Mexico “to stop drug cartels”.
That’s kinda the whole problem with the Republican and Democrat parties: they take a bunch of nuanced political views and then basically turn it into a yes/no poll. I intend to vote for Joe Biden again, but I’m more AOC than Pelosi. I’m 100% certain that there’s a conservative out there that will vote for Trump again that’s more Mitt Romney than Jim Jordan. And I don’t really think that’s a flaw of people, but of the political system itself.
I’m as pragmatic as they get and always trying to understand why people vote the way they do. But if you’re a “moderate republican” and think Trump is still better than Biden/Pelosi, you’re out of touch with reality, brainwashed, or not as moderate as you think.
It’s definitely a flaw of both.
Thank you, this is exactly what @originalucifer is exhibiting. They ignore all of what Pelosi has fought for over the years, simply because she’s not as far left as they are. And then they categorize anyone not as far left as them as a conservative/Republican. It’s an us-vs-them purity test, designed to sow division, not guild a coalition against actual conservatives/Republicans.
Pelosi was speaking FOR universal healthcare back in the 90s. By the time the ACA was up, she was pushing back against it.
Her words DO NOT match her actions. She is not an honorable person, and anyone who honors her is a brainwashed moron.
She didn’t fight for shit. When her party had majorities, it frittered away concessions and suddenly “couldn’t whip the votes” because “blue dogs”
Please seek help for your neurological disease.
Tell me about the time she defunded the Iraq War
So Trump is a Real Human In Name Only?
An Oompa Loompa disguised as a human.
An Oompa Loompa with Rhonda Sand Tits 4 inch boot lifts.