“The amount of times she told me that stupid ‘I have protest signs older than you in my basement’ shit,” Ocasio-Cortez wrote in a text that’s cited in the book. “Like yeah but mine don’t collect dust.”
Spicy!!
Old people love to rest on the laurels of having been progressive a long time ago, and like it’s great that they were and it’s ok and good to pass on the torch, but also if society catches up with you and passes you that’s not great. I’ve protested with old people who protested for civil rights for everyone in the 60s into the 20s. I admire and respect them because they didn’t stand still watching the future pass them by. But Pelosi seems to not get that we built on what she did and she was always welcome to progress with us.
We could have had Bernie 🥲
It was never really an option. Sanders far outperformed even his expectations. But in running as he did. He showed others how to actually make change. Work from within the party to pull them left. Sanders’s performance and work as a Democrat senator did more to pull the party left than 100 years of 3rd party protest votes. This is the lesson we should go away with. And never stop applying it.
Lol…yea, her performed poorly, the entire DNC crushed him. He’d have cost them too many donations.
(Donations are important for getting candidates elected)
So are voters, but the party never seems to feel the need to appeal to them.
In a corrupt government.
DNC misread the room. It was populist season, and only one populist ran…
So infuriating. Reminds me of a guy I chatted with who was involved in the civil rights protests. He was in opposition to BLM protests because he felt like a lot of the claims about racism were imagined. Essentially “yeah we fixed all that, everything is fine now.” Me: . . .
Old people love to rest on the laurels of having been progressive a long time ago
The reason I’m glad John Lewis is no longer my Congressman.
I don’t think Pelosi was above being petty. She was a dish when she was younger, and AOC is pretty easy on the eyes too. AOC is no shrinking violet and speaks her mind. I would not be surprised at all if Pelosi was trying to keep an attractive younger “upstart” in her place.
Gross.
She was a dish when she was younger
What does this mean¿?
“Dish” is very old slang for “attractive.”
IMO it became very evident very quickly after Trump became president, that Pelosi was extremely bad for the Democrats. Pelosi actively prevented Democrats from acting on issues that had a clear majority and great significance.
It’s absolutely a plus for Democrats that Pelosi is finally out.Her insider trading was also drawing a lot of heat. Now we’ve all forgotten about it!
Not with you reminding us of it! Goddammit.
Alright, everybody gather around and look steadily at this little flash light.
Neoliberals do neoliberal things
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We must also not forget that there’s a bunch of Republicans that made even more profit than her doing the same thing but they never get talked about! Politicians should only be allowed to invest in total market ETFs!
I would go back further to the Dubya days and say it’s been clear since that era that Pelosi was not great and new leadership was necessary.
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I remember that too and it was obviously a bunch of nonsense back then. It’s just people playing politics and trying to frame the discourse in ways that favor their side. The quotes there are pretty funny, Alter doing some warmongering and Klein calling the kettle black.
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Remember when she promised to defund the Iraq War so we all voted for them and then they did nothing?
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“I thought things would get worse,” Ocasio-Cortez wrote in another text cited in the book. “I thought a lot of my misery was due to leadership more broadly having a thing against me. But … my life has completely transformed. It’s crazy. And it’s that that made me realise it was kind of just [Pelosi] the whole time.”
“Senior members talk to me, [committee] chairs are nice to me, people want to work together,” the congresswoman added. “I’m shocked. I couldn’t even get floor time before.”
Very interesting. Like AOC, I thought that she’d be in trouble under Jeffries, who has a reputation in NYC as someone who is really confrontational with the left, whereas Pelosi is seen as at least sort of progressive. I wonder if the difference has something to do with age - Pelosi is probably more progressive for her age cohort than Jeffries is for his, but she’s just so ancient.
Pelosi could whip votes like no other. Dems had razor thin margins and she’d make sure shit still got done.
I love AOC but it makes perfect sense that one of the most liberal members was less happy under Pelosi. She forced compromise from the most liberal and most conservative members of the democratic party because otherwise they’d never have the votes to do anything at all.
Look at the Republicans struggling with a few votes to spare. Pelosi had that shit on lock.
Democrats do have all the votes locked in even without Pelosi. Practically all the dems are smart, intelligent, reasonable people who are capable of compromise. Even the most conservative or progressive ones. They don’t need someone to stand there with a whip in order to get things done. Maybe a few decades ago they have still behaved like a herd of cattle (as the republicans still do), with a whole bunch of idiots among them who wandered off at every chance against their own good. But those times are gone. Pelosi however got stuck in that loop and can’t realize the world and democratic party has changed.
In this particular scenario, it likely doesn’t hurt that AOC represents parts of The Bronx and Queens.
Pelosi looks like something that would shamble out of the darkness in a horror movie and she isn’t the only one. They could kill the power in the Capitol Building during an evening vote (a last minute vote to push back a shutdown for a few weeks, for example) and then film a new Night of the Living Dead movie.
Edit: Sorry, I did not see how people could misunderstand this. I was referring to how half of congress is old enough to be virtually the walking dead, not so much saying Pelosi is ugly or something. She, and a lot of them, are past the average life expectancy in the US and should have retired years ago.
We need to quit judging women on their looks. Judge her on her policies.
I was referring to how half of them look like they have one foot in the grave and should have retired already.
Gotcha and totally agree. I’m sorry I misunderstood your point.
I think by the down votes, it’s clear that it was my fault for not being more clear. Thanks, though. :)
Also, her obvious corruption. Her and her husband make waaaaaaaay above average on the stock market due to her insider knowledge. But I’m sure that never affects her policy positions.
I don’t think that joke was about women’s looks or even denigrating to old people, I think it was about highlighting the inappropriateness of people that old still working. I feel like the joke was kinda analogous to a joke about toddlers running a DMV, which would not be a joke denigrating toddlers.
Yes, that was what I was going for. I wouldn’t ever call an old lady ugly, so I didn’t even see how my comment could be misinterpreted. In hindsight, I think I should have quoted the “ancient” bit from the comment I was responding to.
Thanks!
I honestly hope the corrupt bitch rots in hell
Hell is for horses.
Hell is other people!
Pelosi had to actually pass legislation so she needed every vote by hook or by crook, and AOC was among the crowd that needed to be cajoled often.
Jeffries has only been in leadership as the minority leader so he can just oppose most legislation from the Republican House, and it’s not like AOC is going to want to somehow oppose it even harder. He doesn’t need to do the cajoling.
I have to agree. I am not a fan of Pelosi, but she was effective (so long as what she was doing was makingbthr right people money).
I really don’t get why she is running again though. Guess she wants to keep getting that juicy inside info for her stock portfolio.
There is no retirement for a lot of people, probably especially rich people. It’s not about the money, it’s about the job being their main identity. Charlie Munger was a 99 year old billionaire who was still working at Berkshire Hathaway when he died.
Pelosi had some serious contempt for the younger generations. She gripped to power like a military junta. She definitely believed in seniority and made you adhere to the ruling class tradition. Fuck her.
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Breaking News: Did you know Nancy Pelosi’s a bitch?
Yes
Boomers need to go. Its that simple!!
Father time is taking care of that just not always as quickly as we hope.
Isn’t she of the Silent Generation?
The article notes that Jeffries has been described as more available for “a quick text”, among other things.
Does Nancy Pelosi know how to text? My own grandparents are slightly older and still view texting as some sort of weird fad that only teenagers do.
There’s “knowing how” and there’s having your mobile constantly within arms reach.
of course a republican and a democrat wouldnt get along. they have completely different ideals.
say it. i dare you.
I’ll dare. This is just like Trump’s RHINO garbage. Not pure enough for you?
alrighty. I’ve watched the democrats sit on their thumbs and do fuck-all for over 40 years. that is the definition of conservative if you remove the fascist parts, which are wholly republican.
they trimmed a conservative love letter to insurance companies by mitt called ‘obamacare’ and called it a huge win while spending trillions policing the world and telling americans what they can do to their bodies.
current democrats are yesterdays republicans. and pelosi? what a conservative cunt.
You have said the actual truth.
Democrats should be viewed as an enemy of progressives … because they ARE. They constantly hamstring progress and constantly capitulate to Republicans. They are nothing but an excuse for normies to ignore the rise of fascism. The fact they sometimes slow Republicans down is nothing but the coincidence of having someone who doesn’t vote ENTIRELY in lockstep with the Republicans.
Progressives like AOC being in the Democrat party is nothing but a consequence of our shitty two-party system. I’m positive neither of those fucking ghoul parties would be in power if we had a proper voting system.
Democrats should be viewed as an enemy of progressives … because they ARE. They constantly hamstring progress and constantly capitulate to Republicans. They are nothing but an excuse for normies to ignore the rise of fascism.
They’re literally white moderates.
The fact you’re being downvoted shows there is a depressing number of moderates in the crowd.
Good job, people. Prove you’re incapable of learning from history.
Isn’t democracy literally set up for the moderates to rule?
No, not democracy itself. That takes many, many forms, and ours (the US, anyways) is an extremely skewed representative democracy where the people themselves don’t even pick two entire branches of government.
When 2/3rds of the government isn’t exactly democratic, I think it’s unfair to use it as the paragon of democratic ideals.
Especially when our two-party system guarantees the options won’t be very representative, either.
Because neoliberals always sell us out to corporations. They’re moderate Republicans fiscally when it comes to helping the public.
I think you need some education. Review this woman’s career and ask yourself honestly how conservative she seems. If what you read on the following page sounds like a conservative to you, I think your definitions are skewed as fuck.
Claim they need to be educated, then just link fuggen wikipedia??? and hit ‘reply’?? Im actually a little mad.
That’s your whole comment? Where is your actual political education coming from that you would consider that link in any way acceptable.
Ridiculous!
Whine someplace else, troll.
my calling out your pseudo-intellectualism is trolling now huh? I must be getting old.
How many times over those 40 years did Democrats have a supermajority in the Senate, a majority in the House, and the presidency?
I am shocked that the hardcore leftist also has no qualms about using misogynistic slurs.
By the way, that “conservative love letter to insurance companies” has saved well over 20,000 lives. I’d imagine those people who are not dead might disagree about it having been fuck-all nothing, but I suppose you’d have to ask them.
While the ACA is better than before, I wonder if 20,000 lives is even half what we’d have saved if we had real universal healthcare.
We certainly wouldn’t have increasingly record insurance, hospital, and pharmacy profits (which are all the same vertical orgs anyway).
You’re not wrong, and we should always push for more! But we also shouldn’t delude ourselves into thinking that literally nothing has been accomplished either, particularly when you look at what the other side has been blocking. Biden attempted to institute a $15 minimum wage for federal contractors, which was shot down by a conservative court. The student loan forgiveness was absolutely nuked by the SCOTUS. Just a tiny handful of Republican votes in the Senate could have saved the expanded child tax credit, which had directly observable effects on childhood hunger rates (which shot right back up when it expired).
For issues that hit a bit closer to home for me, the Respect for Marriage Act is a huge comfort allowing me to know that, if I ever have to move to a red state for some terrible reason, my marriage rights will still be upheld. In schools, some basic respect for trans rights has been tied to federal school funding. Trans people are allowed to serve in the military again.
None of these are super huge things, but they are real, and they have meaningful effects on real people’s lives. There are trans teens in high schools, right now, that are able to use the bathroom they want because of Biden. Sure, it’s not universal healthcare or a solved housing crisis, but to them, it is still very real progress, and it’s worth fighting for.
I am shocked that the hardcore leftist also has no qualms about using misogynistic slurs.
Don’t be a cunt
Tone Police: In Color!
I’d argue it’s fair in both cases.
The two parties are big tent parties, often hosting people with disparate opinions on the same issues. The Squad is as Democratic as Pelosi…even though the latter uncritically supports Israeli genocide.
Similarly, the House Freedom Caucus is as Republican as Mitt Romney, even though the latter want to invade Mexico “to stop drug cartels”.
That’s kinda the whole problem with the Republican and Democrat parties: they take a bunch of nuanced political views and then basically turn it into a yes/no poll. I intend to vote for Joe Biden again, but I’m more AOC than Pelosi. I’m 100% certain that there’s a conservative out there that will vote for Trump again that’s more Mitt Romney than Jim Jordan. And I don’t really think that’s a flaw of people, but of the political system itself.
I’m as pragmatic as they get and always trying to understand why people vote the way they do. But if you’re a “moderate republican” and think Trump is still better than Biden/Pelosi, you’re out of touch with reality, brainwashed, or not as moderate as you think.
It’s definitely a flaw of both.
Thank you, this is exactly what @originalucifer is exhibiting. They ignore all of what Pelosi has fought for over the years, simply because she’s not as far left as they are. And then they categorize anyone not as far left as them as a conservative/Republican. It’s an us-vs-them purity test, designed to sow division, not guild a coalition against actual conservatives/Republicans.
Pelosi was speaking FOR universal healthcare back in the 90s. By the time the ACA was up, she was pushing back against it.
Her words DO NOT match her actions. She is not an honorable person, and anyone who honors her is a brainwashed moron.
She didn’t fight for shit. When her party had majorities, it frittered away concessions and suddenly “couldn’t whip the votes” because “blue dogs”
Please seek help for your neurological disease.
Tell me about the time she defunded the Iraq War
So Trump is a Real Human In Name Only?
An Oompa Loompa disguised as a human.
An Oompa Loompa with Rhonda Sand Tits 4 inch boot lifts.
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I’m wondering about that too. I think the likely answer is that AOC is a liberal (perhaps even a communist) while Pelosi is authoritarian.
Did you just conflate fucking liberals and communists? Motherfucker there are so many ideologies between those two itd be like conflating Mycanean greece with the fucking Iroquois confederation.
Okay, she’s a socialist, not a communist. Happy?
Someone: “I’m looking to start a fight on the internet!”
You: “I’m your huckleberry.”
It seems like a lot of effort to take the bait and play salmon to someone’s trawler, but I’m not here to kink shame.
You: “I’m your huckleberry.”
Love big mouth, that quote and ‘i don’t think you can use that word anymore’ is a daily back n forth between the wifey
Just fyi, I’m your huckleberry is most definitely a quote from Tombstone, big mouth was probably referencing that
Oh goddamnit, and kilmers performance is the best reason to rewatch that movie. How could i fuck that up?
To be fair, you should’ve said Liberal vs Conservative, but yeah.
yeah, i can see that. im a bit bitter after so many decades of inactivity.
What a sad state of affairs that you think two people can’t get along because of political ideals.
I mean, yeah, when one party wants to put Jesus in the government, make being gay illegal, and deport nonwhite people, I’m not interested in being friends with anyone who supports that mission statement. I’m intolerant of intolerance.
Sounds to me like you’ve created a non-existent boogyman to hate. I’m a conservative who is atheist, gay friendly, and thinks we should have open borders. Yet here we are with you villainizing me because I have different opinions than you on how we should handle national problems. Good job tolerant left, you’re always so tolerant…
They’re literally making it illegal for men to even wear women’s clothing in performances… or trying to. It’s literally in several states’ wording for their recent bout of anti-trans legislation. They’re trying.
If you don’t think they’re overstepping, you’re either not paying attention, or a fucking despicable judgemental piece of shit like them. If you care about people what so ever and vote Republican these days, you’re AT BEST a flaming ignorant hypocrite, “conservative” or not.
I’m a conservative who is atheist, gay friendly, and thinks we should have open borders.
Oh, so which conservative views do you hold that are so important that you’ll vote for candidates that use religion as an excuse to oppose gay rights and oppose asylum as a concept?
I believe in personal freedom. I believe in smaller, more local governance. I believe in gun rights and the right to defend oneself. I believe in free market capitalism, fewer entitlements, and lower taxes. I believe the family structure is key to a thriving society and think it should be encouraged from a policy/tax standpoint rather than dismantled in favor of government “parentage”. I believe in meritocracy rather than the ever shifting goal post of equity. I do support abortion, but not in the late term/full term like many leftists do. I think it is a necessary evil and should never be celebrated.
You clearly missed the part where I said I was for open borders. Which current candidates oppose gay rights, and what rights are we talking about?
I believe in personal freedom.
The party you support celebrates when 11 year olds are forced by the state to carry rapists’ offspring to term. The party you support cheered when a speaker at CPAC suggested eradicating trans people. Your party does not support personal freedom.
I believe in smaller, more local governance.
Your party won’t let cities ban fracking or plastic bags. But do they ever use “local governance” to codify bigotry into law, like with “don’t say gay” and “papers please” laws.
I believe in gun rights and the right to defend oneself.
And here we come to the first answer that your party actually supports: more school shootings.
I believe in free market capitalism, fewer entitlements, and lower taxes.
restated: Price gouging is just fine, poor people should suffer, and we should give handouts to the rich.
I believe the family structure is key to a thriving society and think it should be encouraged from a policy/tax standpoint rather than dismantled in favor of government “parentage”.
The government isn’t trying to take your kids unless you’re abusing them.
I believe in meritocracy rather than the ever shifting goal post of equity.
Legacy admissions good, diversity bad.
I do support abortion, but not in the late term/full term like many leftists do. I think it is a necessary evil and should never be celebrated.
The party you support does not. Your party rewards rapists by forcing their victims to carry their offspring. And you vote for this.
You clearly missed the part where I said I was for open borders.
I did not. I pointed out that the party you vote for is opposed to asylum as a concept.
Which current candidates oppose gay rights
Candidates? Your current speaker of the house.
and what rights are we talking about?
Equal treatment under the law. Including the right to marry.
Way I see it, you use platitudes about your party that aren’t grounded in reality to support a bigoted party that only does well by the rich, and whose policies harm the vulnerable.
You choose to support that party despite your stated disagreements with them. So some of the things you listed must override your stated support for gay rights, immigrants, and abortion.
It’s the guns, isn’t it?
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ah yes, supporting the party that mostly wants to destroy gay rights and theocracize the state as much as they can, very tolerant of you. i thank you for your courage to enable these politicians to encroach on basic civil rights despite not hating gays, non-christians, and immigrants as much as they do, so you can pretend to get lower taxes and pretend that small businesses are doing better even when almost all republicans cause the complete opposite for people who aren’t billionaires and are more against development that every single other country on earth has implemented into law because it’s so obvious how important it is to humanity like universal health care, paid vacation, and parental leave – which is pretty funny when you consider the US most years spends over half of its budget on healthcare/welfare/social security yet has
, comically high prices compared to other countries’ healthcare both private and public, and the health insurance is the worst in the entire god damn first world, plus shit worker protections, meanwhile most of the EU doesn’t have these problems anywhere near as much as the US (it’s insane how leagues ahead they are of the "richest nation on Earth) despite spending way less on these most years.
And people in the US have a much lower median wealth (net worth) than those in western Europe, despite having lower incomes and allegedly “super high taxes” (most don’t, except like Germany), meanwhile the mean net worth in the US is egregiously high in proportion to the median net worth because of the massive wealth inequality. If you make under like 700k then you get taxed more in Texas than you do in most of Europe, for example.
But yea I’m sure the pros of being Republican outweigh the cons voting Republican entails like worse healthcare, awful underfunded and outdated education, terrible infrastructure, high taxes for lower & middle class people, next to zero worker’s rights, letting companies control what you can do with and how you can use the shit you bought (to the point where you don’t own most of the stuff you buy). I mean, how else can you support stripping away the hard-fought victories and liberties of minorities like LGBT and disabled people while acting like you’re not implicit?
I suppose you could say the guns, but Republicans don’t give a shit about your 2nd amendment rights either lol, they vote yes for almost all of the gun laws that conservative voters complain about anyways.
Not to say Democrats are the solution, but obviously they’re generally leagues ahead of Republicans (which is a low bar nowadays to be fair). I mean your prime presidential candidates were Trump and DeSantis, seriously? Even Biden is somehow better than them, and it’s not even close, wtf.
….do you think politics is like picking your favorite sports team? This isn’t about preferences or opinions, this is about choices we make as a society that dictate whether people live or die, whether violence against groups of people (gay, queer, black, Muslim) is normalized or not.
Open your eyes you coward.
A lot of the improvement AOC is experiencing could also be due to her becoming a more seasoned congresswoman.
This big time. Hot takes and spicy tweets don’t mean dick if you don’t know how to translate them into effective policy.
I feel like a lot of things will completely transform for the better when the silent generation and boomers are gone.
By the time Millennials are in charge the entire political game will be different.
No doubt. The silent gen and boomers have such a different world view than the rest of the population.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
The book says Pelosi “spoke for nearly the entire lunch” when the two first met in San Francisco in July 2018, shortly after her upset primary victory against Rep. Joe Crowley.
“The amount of times she told me that stupid ‘I have protest signs older than you in my basement’ shit,” Ocasio-Cortez wrote in a text that’s cited in the book.
“Senior members talk to me, [committee] chairs are nice to me, people want to work together,” the congresswoman added.
In May, Business Insider reported that Jeffries was viewed as more of a consensus-builder than Pelosi — not just by progressives but by more moderate members of the party.
“There was a formality and a seniority to her office that gave it kind of this vaunted quality,” Rep. Elissa Slotkin of Michigan said of Pelosi at the time.
Though no longer formally a member of leadership, Pelosi has remained in Congress as a rank-and-file lawmaker since stepping down, and she is running for reelection next year.
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Biden is next. Get that corporate tool out NOW
Narcissist overjoyed that other narcissist is gone. Who would have thought?
Let me book mark this and see how AOC feels after about 60 years. Not saying she’s wrong but when you have a strong will like Nancy or Alexandria time doesn’t really erode that away. I bet they were just way too similar to get along.
