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It’s pretty cool to see Russia and DPRK having peaceful talks. Unlike how the west goes about things.
If communism was such a fundamentally inferior system, why did the capitalists have to go into trillions of dollars of debt to stop it?
: because freedom aint freePrice has gone up. Time to pay up
: damn wokes made my wallet sooper dooper smol
The real fear is Russia starts arming Global South countries with advanced weaponry, starting with the DPRK.
US imperialism in Ukraine becoming the catalyst that ends imperialism.
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The DPRK is unironically the unknown threat that the USA doesn’t want the public to really be aware of. All of the outrageous claims made about the DPRK is because America would not be able to defeat them in open combat.
America would not be able to defeat them in open combat.
That’s not a particularly exclusive club.
The Korean War is quite literally the Forgotten War because it’s almost never mentioned when people talk about North Korea. The way the media and governments talk about it, it’s almost as if North Korea simply manifested from thin air and seceded from the south.
What makes you say this? Not doubting I’m just unsure how that would go either way tbh. I don’t have the confidence to say that.
I think the other comment is partially a meme/joke, but also the US already tried once to defeat the north and lost… or at least gave up. That was immediately post-WWII US military and economy roaring after facing basically zero setbacks unlike most of the world. Korea and China were coming out of occupation by the fascist Japanese and a brutal incredibly long civil war in China… and still managed to hold their own against, again, the US still at it’s WWII strength. And it’s not like the US wasn’t trying to “win” either they leveled every fucking building in the north and still couldn’t make them give up. I’m not an expert on North Korean military shit now, but last I heard they learned from the war with the US and built everything underground so it can’t really be targeted by the US. Not easily anyway. We see in Gaza that Israel cannot damage much of the underground infrastructure… imagine that on the nation state level. US would be on a total suicide mission to even try an invasion. Not to mention their nuclear capabilities.
I’d like to reiterate that my comment was not a meme/joke
Propaganda is so heavy. I thought you were being 100% serious because it’s quite obvious the US would handily lose that conflict a second time. Probably even worse than the first as neoliberalism has rotted the US from the inside while DPRK has prepared for this inevitability.
The US relies on its asian puppet colonies KUSA and Japan to act as meaningful proxies. KUSA is mostly filled with forced conscripts so judging from the IOF, they don’t look like to be an actual competant fighting force. Also in the event of war, military command goes to the US who, as we’ve seen in Ukraine and Occupied Palestine + Yemen, are so corrupt that it would be a liability so there is a possibility of refuseniks/mutinies in the KUSA army.
Artillery shells are pointed at seoul at all times and can wipe out the entire city in a matter of hours. This inevitably means that SK’s economy collapses as all the Chaebols and other assorted bourgeoisie flee and the entire country is militarized while the CIA controlled Korean government would spend all its time doing the classic slava Ukranian trick of kidnapping conscripts and whatnot.
The US backed NATO can’t join the conflict because of Comrade Kim Jong Un’s investment in nuclear ICBMs (Ukraine much?), inevitably, South Korea’s place in the global supply chain would be used as a threat to G7 and the global south to support the war while further isolating the US.
A war with the DPRK could be a flashpoint to a proletarian revolution in KUSA and a complete breakdown of Chaebols which is why the endlessly corrupt and cruel south korean government would never go to war unless the US forced then to (meaning that the Chaebols would know in advance, the optics of which could prove fatal to the rogue state of the ROK).
They couldn’t defeat them the first time around and they hadn’t had decades to stockpile munitions back then. You can’t defeat a country with air power, you can only destroy it, and the west pretty demonstrably only has air power.
and the west pretty demonstrably only has air power.
And even then it’s only when there are no threats to their aircraft. They haven’t fought a foe with actual air defenses in decades.
The other comments explain it enough I think, I’d just like to add that I think there is a natural reaction to underestimate the North Koreans even among leftists, but imho I think the DPRK would do better in a war against the US in Korea than even the Russians in Ukraine. Just for comparison sake the Russians have been practicing the war in Ukraine for 30 years pretty much, but the DPRK has been practicing since the 1950’s.
Russia hasn’t been doing great in Ukraine though. The front has been dug in for months and Russian progress is a crawl at best.
Russia is doing extremely well. Victory has nothing to do with how much of an area you occupy.
you are measuring by territory, but attrition war suits their goal of demilitarizing the Ukraine more than holding land
Sure, they are depleting Ukrainian arms but Ukraine has such a steady supply of NATO arms that it’s almost impossible to make a dent.
This may be true in several years, but if I’m not mistaken, all sources indicate that NATO’s already been bled dry.
NATO has mostly given old munitions, not their main stockpiles. NATO still remains a well armed threat.
demilitarizing NATO
That supply has long since started to dry up. All they get is below the rate at which they lose it. And they get less and less.
The slow progress is very much intentional. Less casualties for Russia, more for Ukraine. The digging in also was intentional, Ukraine was very open about its planned counter offensive. Russia dug in and let them come.
Don’t get me wrong, there have been russian fuck ups, like, after the peace negotiation broke down, not taking into consideration that many contract soldiers might not renew their contracts.
It looks to me (I am not a reliable source) like Russia won the war immediately. There will never be a stable, western aligned government in Ukraine again. But there will be a huge buffer zone that keeps NATO far from anything Russia considers dangerous.
Ukraine is only getting more Western aligned due to the war. I could easily see a Zelnsky dictatorship for a while. I don’t think they are ever joining NATO but they have only gotten more Western aligned recently.
There will never be a stable, western-aligned government again. There’s never gonna be a stable, eastern-aligned government either. The rightwing coups will never end. Ukraine is destroyed for the working class. The bourgeoisie might have one last chance to sell out and move to the US.
Dictatorships are perfectly stable. At present time the right loves Zelnsky and has no reason to coup. As long as the war continues Zelnsky is staying in power and in the pocket of the West. I agree with you on Ukraine being destroyed for the working class though.
How you propose to reverse or even avoid this? Keel up before nazis and allow for genocide in Donbas and another yeltsinisation of Russia? This time maybe terminal since west seem helbent on balkanization of Russia.
At this point, you can’t. Continuing support for Ukraine is the best way to worsen the situation and continue keeping Zelnsky in power and continue the meat grinder. If the West pulls out, two things are possible. One is that Russia continues to push West and try to take Kyiv which will lead to Zelnsky staying in power for as long as the war continues and a protected urban warfare campaign through Kyiv which will take Russia an incredibly long time to win. The other possibility is that peace talks happen and Russia keeps their controlled territory and ends the war. This is the best chance of a “good” outcome but anyone who gets in power, declares martial law and tries to retake lost territory is just going to become Zelnsky 2. Either way, it’s going to be a series of stable leaders (dictatorships) trying to cozy up with the West to defeat Russia. I don’t think there ever was the possibility of a good outcome here.
No US leader would be stupid enough to invade. It doesn’t matter to the US who would win in Korea, all the average person would know is that a few million died after LA got nuked.
I disagree I think they would like to unify Korea under a South Korean banner, but cannot do it due to the DPRKs military strength.
That mostly depends on if China gets involved which seems less likely than it did the last time. Also “unified Korea but no LA” is not a great trade, even for the American bourgeoisie.
Pretty much yeah, and now they’re forced to acknowledge the reality of what DPRK is.
Shoutout to the lemmitor I saw somewhere speculating about what kind of “rice-filled horror shells” the DPRK was sending the Russian Federation.
North Koreans are starving because Kim Jong Un shot all the rice out of a comically large cannon!
Filled using the giant spoon that was gifted to the worker’s party in Stalin’s will.
rice-filled
Stay racist, lemmit.
Kim will send over 2 soldiers from the 302nd Necromancy Brigade (Bloodborne) to train Russian troops to resurrect their entire military since they’ve been wiped out in Ukraine. Kim will also send 300 civilians to push Russia’s cope cages around in Ukraine since they’re experienced with pushing heavy transportation vehicles
They’re afraid of the spectre of communism.
It’s like that marching at the beginning of Hell March 2, quietly getting louder and louder, for years and years. Then the guitar riff kicks in and suddenly communism’s back baby. Right now they can hear the marching, it’s quiet and in the distance… but they are afraid.
Indeed, now that they’re no longer able to prevent trade with DPRK and Cuba, they’re going to develop rapidly and all the propaganda about communism stifling development is going to fall apart. Everyone will see that it was US blockade on these countries that was preventing them from developing.
I hope that’s the case, the very first thing they need to look at is increasing the country’s power production capacity so that stable electricity can be supplied everywhere all at once instead of just Pyongyang. Hitting that milestone will result in a considerable amount of progress as the population will be able to do a lot more with less, people will have less chores due to the electrification and appliances that shorten time spent on such tasks which will open up people’s time to doing more, both leisure and productive work in their spare time.
That and much more modern heavy machinery for many of the agricultural tasks the country has.
Robotics for factories would be a huge boon because they could reduce factory workforces enormously and push that labour towards other tasks.
Machinery for agriculture is not an issue for the DPRK.
In fact, the DPRK had one of the most mechanized agricultural sectors in the world, which actually created a lot of issues during the 1990s when the USSR collapsed and fuel supply to the DPRK stopped, rendering the farming equipments unusable. Together with an exceedingly high urbanization rate (70% of its people lived in urban area, sustained by highly mechanized farming in the rural area), and unprecedented weather disasters (freeze, floods, drought all happening in the period between 1994-96), what followed was famine and many of the subsistence farming practice that resulted also depleted what little left of their arable land, and vast areas of woods chopped down for heating during the famine period caused soil erosion that exacerbated floods and various ecological problems. North Korea’s problem is more ecological than technological at this point.
Given the exceedingly hostile climate of Northeast Asia, the DPRK has to choose whether to rely on food import (which was exactly the route South Korea took and focused solely on manufacturing and technology sectors) but this would directly oppose their Juche ideology, or spend a disproportionate amount of the economy to squeeze out agricultural output. As a comparison, South Korea never spent more than 2% of their GDP on agriculture, whereas the DPRK has consistently spent ~20% of the GDP on agriculture every year.
https://monthlyreview.org/2024/03/01/industrial-agriculture-lessons-from-north-korea/
What North Korea does with agriculture is insanely impressive considering they use almost no fossil fuels the west could literally try learn a thing or two
The DPRK spent a lot of time building military might as deterrent and inherited many of the USSR’s military intellectual development. With their development in nuclear weapons I thought maybe the purpose was to scale back their military and just focus on a nuclear deterrent, but now I’m not so sure.
It was but Biden government is escalating hostilities on all fronts including Korea.
The all out sanctions war on Russia was a monumental fuck up on the part of Biden admin. The fear of secondary sanctions was what kept Russia from working with Cuba, Iran, and DPRK this whole time. Now that threat is used up, and Russia no longer has any reason to conform to US sanctions on other countries.
True, and now we seen Russia openly increasing contacts with DPRK, Cuba, Iran, China, basically all the bad guys on US hit list.
Who would have think that US sanctions really can bring freedom 😆
In a manner akin to a protagonist in a classic Greek tragedy, the United States appears to be inexorably propelling itself towards its own downfall, defying the ominous prophecy that looms over its future.
Half of the Russian government was there. Yuri Borisov, head of Roskosmos, was there shaking hands with Kim Jong-un. This is a full scale military, economic and technological cooperation.
It’s unthinkable that Putin would even do this even 2-3 years ago.
I expect that the main idea will be that Russia will provide resources in exchange for DPRK doing manufacturing. This was largely the relationship back in USSR days as well incidentally. Russian economy is overheating right now, so outsourcing manufacturing makes a lot of sense.
The wraith of juche haunts the minds of the the imperialists
