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Turns out finding a good lemmy instance is a huge pain in the ass. I started on lemmy.ml but it was full of tankies so I moved to lemmy.world now they banned piracy so I’m on lemm.ee which gets a lot of crap from tankies still, not as bad as lemmy.ml but it’s really fucking annoying. Like I’m not interested in Russian propaganda or how the soviet union’s genocide was justified actually, please give the user a way to block all tankies and nazies and stop blocking things globally for everyone.
i’ve created an account the day the api changes was announced and i’ve never seen any political discussions around communism. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but i’ve seen far more complaining about tankies than tankies themselves
like reddit, if you avoid all and just subscribe to the communities you’re interested in then there’s no problem.
When I first came over i dove head first into it and it wasn’t that bad. Just well read, polite extremists I guess. Lot of issues on the left it seems. 🥱
What is why? What is the solution we’re trying to solve?
Lemmy being imperfect doesn’t change the fact that it does solve one big problem: it takes the big corporation and its influences out of the equation. It is not possible for a centralized solution to do this.
To be fair, while Lemmy is a step in the right direction, I don’t think it’s aimed quite right. It solves one problem while introducing a host of others. I’ve talked about this previously in various places, but ultimately I think it’s a mistake to bundle communities, user accounts, and moderation all into the same package. It’s easy from the standpoint of “Lemmy is just a mini Reddit” mental model, but then you run into problems like exactly what’s being discussed in this thread, where you have instance administrators making decisions about what federated content their users are allowed to access.
A better design would be to decouple users from communities. Communities should be hosted on super targeted instances with similar communities who all can agree on content rules with each other. That in combination with some kind of central registry of communities and a mechanism to repost content between communities that wish to be partnered with each other would take care of that part of the equation. I would also invert the relationship between user registries and communities. The community should be where the user goes to view content in that community, just with an account provided by a 3rd party, similar to how OpenID worked. The only tricky part is working on how to do a unified front page with content from many communities, as that would imply that all that content would live in one location, and then you run into the legal issues of nobody wanting to allow arbitrary federated content to be rehosted on their server.
I fully agree. User accounts should be separate and content should not automatically be hosted on all linked instances. It’s not scalable and will only lead to endless defederations.
It looks really good but I’m quite hesitant to use a server in North America to discuss piracy. I’m looking into self-hosting at this point, that way I can defederate from who I want and it guaranteed my account won’t be gone because an instance shut down.
So join one of the smaller instances rather than the big ones. The big ones have been around a while long before the Reddit exodus for a reason, and that reason is because the people that were kicked out of the likes of Reddit already (so there must have been pretty awful), and needed somewhere to go. Inevitably you’re going to find that when you use those instances, you have to put up with these prats.
Also it should goes without saying but if anything less than full control is undesirable for someone, it’s pretty trivial to spin up a personal instance.
Can someone explain what a tankie is, I keep hearing it and getting called one but have no fucking clue what they’re on about
Also, you could just make an account for the dark side of lemmy for defederated things and then use another for regular usage, no? I basically just switch between accounts through my reader app
Someone who supports authoritarian regimes with socialist aesthetics. Originally coined when the soviet union rolled tanks into Hungary to squash their attempt at independence and there were people in Britain who liked that, those were the original tankies.
Yeah. You can usually find them on any post remotely critical of China or Russia, where they show up enmasse to defend the genocides they commit because “Well America did it too so it’s okay to murder entire ethnicities” and dismiss any criticism of those countries as “Western propaganda” while simultaneously gobbling up CCP/Russian propaganda like it’s candy. They never argue in good faith, and get off on irritating people.
But I like all, there’s often new stuff there I would miss otherwise. Also an excellent source of new things to subscribe to. Also blocking every community on like 3 instances would take way more effort than I want to put in. Like why not add functionality that let’s users block instances they want, why require defederation for such a simple feature.
I just block them whenever they pop up on my feed. It is annoying but they have have ~20 active communities on Lemmygrad and Hexbear each, at some point you’ll run out of places to block and they’re gone.
Problem is, people from Hexbear/Lemmygrad don’t stay in their corners. They brigade and flood into other communities and instances to spread their disinformation and vitriol, and shut out any real discussion. That’s been their explicit intended goal, to deny everyone else a forum. You can block their communities, but it’s the users themselves that are a serious problem. I’ve been blocking every Hexbear user I see and there’s still more that keep cropping up.
Where do they do this? Do you have links? So far what I’ve seen is they comment on posts that go viral on their instances, as they’re allowed to do. I can’t say I’ve had any problems with Hexbear users.
Typically, it’s on any post that mentions China, Russia or Ukraine, especially on lemmy.ml. The defederation post on lemmy.ca(Link here) provides several examples of very poor behaviour by Hexbear users, and I can personally attest that it is worse than that, having seen it.
Yea but what if lemm.ee decides to block piracy as well? Back to square one then. Honestly I’m thinking if self hosting at this point, at least then I get to decide on the bullshittery.
Oh my god thank you, been trying to find something that does exactly this for a while. Subscribed to hundreds of communities and blocked even more and I was seriously considering adding and blocking everything manually to another account on another instance. Thank god I was lazy with that.
Dbzero seemed good until they mentioned anarchism and anti-right-wing directives which means it’s a leftist-first instance and that’s a no-go even if I do support their cause.
You seem to worry a lot about “tankies,” yet you support piracy. You do know that capitalism is based on being able to produce a good or service and sell it to the highest bidder, right? Piracy is the opposite.
Why would you think I like capitalism? Tankies are just authoritarians that like red, very little to do with socialism.
Like if you’re a tankies why support piracy? It’s not like there’s a strongman who rules over all pirates with an iron fist.
There is an essentially immeasurable difference between support for anarchy and support for coercive power structures. Marxist-Leninists hope to exchange one coercive power structure for another. It is little different from the imperialism it would hope to supplant. Piracy belongs to anarchy, not Marxism.
Piracy wouldn’t even be possible if it wasn’t for the people who actually produce the product being pirated. Anarchy doesn’t produce anything but chaos.
Is capitalism all great? Of course not, but it produced the foundation of piracy in the first place.
Turns out finding a good lemmy instance is a huge pain in the ass. I started on lemmy.ml but it was full of tankies so I moved to lemmy.world now they banned piracy so I’m on lemm.ee which gets a lot of crap from tankies still, not as bad as lemmy.ml but it’s really fucking annoying. Like I’m not interested in Russian propaganda or how the soviet union’s genocide was justified actually, please give the user a way to block all tankies and nazies and stop blocking things globally for everyone.
this tankie narrative seems overblown.
i’ve created an account the day the api changes was announced and i’ve never seen any political discussions around communism. I’m not saying it doesn’t exist, but i’ve seen far more complaining about tankies than tankies themselves
like reddit, if you avoid all and just subscribe to the communities you’re interested in then there’s no problem.
When I first came over i dove head first into it and it wasn’t that bad. Just well read, polite extremists I guess. Lot of issues on the left it seems. 🥱
My friend self hosts an instance that we use. I’d recommend anyone with the ability to self host or join a smaller instance. Good luck friend!
again, this why i claim that lemmy is not the solution to the problem we are trying to solve.
What is why? What is the solution we’re trying to solve?
Lemmy being imperfect doesn’t change the fact that it does solve one big problem: it takes the big corporation and its influences out of the equation. It is not possible for a centralized solution to do this.
To be fair, while Lemmy is a step in the right direction, I don’t think it’s aimed quite right. It solves one problem while introducing a host of others. I’ve talked about this previously in various places, but ultimately I think it’s a mistake to bundle communities, user accounts, and moderation all into the same package. It’s easy from the standpoint of “Lemmy is just a mini Reddit” mental model, but then you run into problems like exactly what’s being discussed in this thread, where you have instance administrators making decisions about what federated content their users are allowed to access.
A better design would be to decouple users from communities. Communities should be hosted on super targeted instances with similar communities who all can agree on content rules with each other. That in combination with some kind of central registry of communities and a mechanism to repost content between communities that wish to be partnered with each other would take care of that part of the equation. I would also invert the relationship between user registries and communities. The community should be where the user goes to view content in that community, just with an account provided by a 3rd party, similar to how OpenID worked. The only tricky part is working on how to do a unified front page with content from many communities, as that would imply that all that content would live in one location, and then you run into the legal issues of nobody wanting to allow arbitrary federated content to be rehosted on their server.
I fully agree. User accounts should be separate and content should not automatically be hosted on all linked instances. It’s not scalable and will only lead to endless defederations.
In lemmy big instances have influence just like big corporation have influence. There’s no difference
Come to lemmy.ca so far I am satisfied.
Aren’t they based in the US or canada? I would not talk piracy on a server hosted anywhere in North America.
Hosted in Canada. Canada has far more protection for piracy (though not perfect) compared to the states.
Come to Lemmy.ca, even if you’re not Canadian. It’s been very stable so far, and the admins are nice.
It looks really good but I’m quite hesitant to use a server in North America to discuss piracy. I’m looking into self-hosting at this point, that way I can defederate from who I want and it guaranteed my account won’t be gone because an instance shut down.
I have nothing against Canada itself but it being a US core ally means it’s not safe for piracy.
So join one of the smaller instances rather than the big ones. The big ones have been around a while long before the Reddit exodus for a reason, and that reason is because the people that were kicked out of the likes of Reddit already (so there must have been pretty awful), and needed somewhere to go. Inevitably you’re going to find that when you use those instances, you have to put up with these prats.
You can make an account on an instance and not subscribe to any of the local communities if you want.
Also it should goes without saying but if anything less than full control is undesirable for someone, it’s pretty trivial to spin up a personal instance.
Can someone explain what a tankie is, I keep hearing it and getting called one but have no fucking clue what they’re on about
Also, you could just make an account for the dark side of lemmy for defederated things and then use another for regular usage, no? I basically just switch between accounts through my reader app
Someone who supports authoritarian regimes with socialist aesthetics. Originally coined when the soviet union rolled tanks into Hungary to squash their attempt at independence and there were people in Britain who liked that, those were the original tankies.
Oh, ew.
Yeah. You can usually find them on any post remotely critical of China or Russia, where they show up enmasse to defend the genocides they commit because “Well America did it too so it’s okay to murder entire ethnicities” and dismiss any criticism of those countries as “Western propaganda” while simultaneously gobbling up CCP/Russian propaganda like it’s candy. They never argue in good faith, and get off on irritating people.
Sounds like trolls in general tbh
I mean, that’s the same just about anywhere. It’s the main reason #NAFO exists
You’re not going to magically get away from people by switching instances. People from any instance can talk to others by default.
We are all sorting down to our social placements. Perhaps you are infact a tankie! 🧐
try https://discuit.net/Piracy brother
Just block the ‘tankie’ communities and/or subscribe to communities you’re actually interested in instead of browsing c/all
But I like all, there’s often new stuff there I would miss otherwise. Also an excellent source of new things to subscribe to. Also blocking every community on like 3 instances would take way more effort than I want to put in. Like why not add functionality that let’s users block instances they want, why require defederation for such a simple feature.
I just block them whenever they pop up on my feed. It is annoying but they have have ~20 active communities on Lemmygrad and Hexbear each, at some point you’ll run out of places to block and they’re gone.
Problem is, people from Hexbear/Lemmygrad don’t stay in their corners. They brigade and flood into other communities and instances to spread their disinformation and vitriol, and shut out any real discussion. That’s been their explicit intended goal, to deny everyone else a forum. You can block their communities, but it’s the users themselves that are a serious problem. I’ve been blocking every Hexbear user I see and there’s still more that keep cropping up.
Where do they do this? Do you have links? So far what I’ve seen is they comment on posts that go viral on their instances, as they’re allowed to do. I can’t say I’ve had any problems with Hexbear users.
Typically, it’s on any post that mentions China, Russia or Ukraine, especially on lemmy.ml. The defederation post on lemmy.ca (Link here) provides several examples of very poor behaviour by Hexbear users, and I can personally attest that it is worse than that, having seen it.
Yea but what if lemm.ee decides to block piracy as well? Back to square one then. Honestly I’m thinking if self hosting at this point, at least then I get to decide on the bullshittery.
So far my experience with lemm.ee has been pretty good. No forced defederations that I’m aware of, generally free to browse whatever when in /r/all.
And it’s up pretty much all the time which helps.
If you use one of the tools to migrate your account, the blocked communities are saved and come along to your new home instance.
Could you post the tools to do that?
https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim
Oh my god thank you, been trying to find something that does exactly this for a while. Subscribed to hundreds of communities and blocked even more and I was seriously considering adding and blocking everything manually to another account on another instance. Thank god I was lazy with that.
Dbzero seemed good until they mentioned anarchism and anti-right-wing directives which means it’s a leftist-first instance and that’s a no-go even if I do support their cause.
You seem to worry a lot about “tankies,” yet you support piracy. You do know that capitalism is based on being able to produce a good or service and sell it to the highest bidder, right? Piracy is the opposite.
Why would you think I like capitalism? Tankies are just authoritarians that like red, very little to do with socialism. Like if you’re a tankies why support piracy? It’s not like there’s a strongman who rules over all pirates with an iron fist.
Be careful dude, Captain is always watching.
There is an essentially immeasurable difference between support for anarchy and support for coercive power structures. Marxist-Leninists hope to exchange one coercive power structure for another. It is little different from the imperialism it would hope to supplant. Piracy belongs to anarchy, not Marxism.
Piracy wouldn’t even be possible if it wasn’t for the people who actually produce the product being pirated. Anarchy doesn’t produce anything but chaos.
Is capitalism all great? Of course not, but it produced the foundation of piracy in the first place.
In as much one can say cancer and sickness produces the impetus to create antibodies and vaccines, yes.
Piracy is not the cure to capitalism. Common sense regulation is the cure to capitalism (see e.g. the Netherlands, Denmark, Germany etc.).
You listed a bunch of capitalist nations as examples of nations cured of capitalism.
I listed a bunch of capitalist countries with common sense regulation.