Shortly before opening, Casa Bonita’s new owners Matt Stone and Trey Parker decided to eliminate tipping and instead pay workers a flat wage of $30 per hour.
Now I could be wrong, but getting a an hourly wage as a restaurant worker is FAR better than relying on tips. I feel like either workers in this situation are too obsessed with tips or there’s huge context missing.
Yes, the workers are wrong. This is a better way to do it. Unfortunately, many waiters really do come out ahead with tipping, especially those working at higher end restaurants, conventionally attractive by euro standards, or just really good people skills, so they argue tipping is good actually. It benefits some individually, but collectively a lot do not end up with more money this way. It’s part of the whole pull yourself up by your bootstraps ideology - yes you theoretically could do better with tipping, but how many do, compared with the many who don’t? But of course restaurantbusinessonline would prefer business owners still be paying less than minimum wage, so they find those workers whose interests for whatever reason line up with theirs.
Yes, the workers are wrong.
This is a better way to do it. Unfortunately, many waiters really do come out ahead with tipping, especially those working at higher end restaurants, conventionally attractive by euro standards, or just really good people skills, so they argue tipping is good actually. It benefits some individually, but collectively a lot do not end up with more money this way. So yes, alot of waiters start off making less money. The current system while deeply flawed allows people to have careers in waiting where they can start making pretty low wages to making above middle income money. If they work into bar tending then they can make up to 80 an hour on a good day.
Such career tracks are things you see in logistics and trades. If you want to make a career here you can, the difference being that it offers income mobility without getting a degree making it a far more egalitarian field than most since the “meritocratic” career paths since college overwhelmingly fails poor people, people of color and first generation college students. If it doesn’t fail them then they’ll likely end up underemployed, unemployed out of their field or in so much debt that they might as well be in fast food.
It’s part of the whole pull yourself up by your bootstraps ideology - yes you theoretically could do better with tipping, but how many do, compared with the many who don’t? But of course restaurantbusinessonline would prefer business owners still be paying less than minimum wage, so they find those workers whose interests for whatever reason line up with theirs.
the real solution then isn’t abolishing tipping, its abolishing the tipped wage and retaining tipping
I don’t understand how one can argue minimum wage + tipping is a better system than paying someone a living wage. There are very few and quickly decreasing places in the us where minimum wage = a living wage, and further the tipping system is often used by restaurant owners to justify paying less than minimum wage. So people’s incomes are wholly dependent upon their unique set of circumstances and attributes and how well they can milk money out of customers. It individualizes restaurant work, since suddenly you’re not making a low wage because your boss refuses to pay you, but because of your own failures in convincing your customers to give you more money.
Further this ignores two things. 1) according to the story they instituted this system because people weren’t tipping. Tipping as a system won’t work if individuals refuse to tip. 2) the crux of the issue seems more to be that they were promised full time work, but work is currently part time 3 days a week with no plans in place to open for full service, not the tipping.
I’m not against people working their way up to higher wages, nor am I against people getting payed differently based on seniority or something. But the way this story is written suggests a desire to return to a minimum wage+tipping system, which I am against. However reading the rest of the story and the workers’ petition, I’m not even sure that’s what the workers are suggesting.
Dear FOH if you want me to support tips, tip out BOH.
You dont have to agree with everything they do, but Southpark is the only show that are not afraid to discuss certains subjects. Dead Children should be mandatory to watch for every us citizens.
EDIT: In view of the many responses to this post, i’d like to add that if you really think south park is a right-wing show, you’re showing your interchangeability. By that I mean that I firmly believe that people who are incapable of discussion and questioning their ideas are similar, no matter what side they’re on. I’m convinced that if you’d been born in Texas into a conservative family, you’d be parading around in a pickup truck against drag queens in schools right now. It’s simply a question of life context that makes you here now.
Its a really fucking stupid show most of the time though
Yea who gives a fuck if they “discuss issues other wouldnt” if their take away is always the exact same, which is if you care strongly about anything one way or thenother you’re as bad as the other side and the correct approach is to do whatever you want and anybody who tries to make you feel bad about that is the real dummy.
Well, here’s a clear-cut and poorly explained opinion. Not much to help move things forward. Anyway, I disagree. Even when I don’t agree with some of the show’s ideas, their ideas are never simplistic and it has the merit of forcing me to think about why and how I disagree, which is already more than 95% of the uncompromising content you find these days.
Theres no explanation to have, its a stupid fucking show that mostly just propaganda for white libertarians
Well, as you seem to hold all the absolute truths, I’ll leave you with your certainties and continue to believe that complex subjects often have complex answers, and that the world is cruelly lacking in intellectual nuance. I also suggest you look up what propaganda really means.
I am very sorry for whatever life circumstances and/or choices have lead to you thinking that south park is a nuanced and intelligent show. In 2023 no less.
It’s a cartoon made for edgy-brained cable TV watchers, most of whom started watching it when they were literal children.
The main message of the show is that those edgy brain dead cable TV watchers are smarter than anybodybwho cares strongly about a topic in wither direction.
N word? People who get really upset and don’t think white people should say it are the same as virulent racists.
Climate change? People who think it’s real might be right but they’re so I sufferable its better to do nothing.
Political correctness? The greatest threat facing our country in the caliber year 2016. If you think people should be politically correct you’re the same as a racist Trump supporter.
You can see why the dumbest people in the world think it’s a smart show, because the show told the dumbest people in the world they’ve actually got it all figured out.
No need to feel sorry for me, nomatter how much you’d like to make me feel stupid, the fact is that my whole life and career have been about telling me that I’m not. I rather think it’s this sub that’s filled with a edgy-brained caricature of little vigilantes hiding behind a keyboard, who’ve probably never achieved anything concrete that would actually be coherent with their speech, but who take refuge behind the idea that they’re intellectually superior.
dawg every comment you make is completely off the rails like what the hell are you doing here lmao
people said south park is a dumb and bad show that promotes bad ideas and you’re seemingly one step away from sending me your CV for some reason
How old are you jfc
Starting to think the ML in Lemmy.ml stands for machine learning, because there’s no way an adult human writes like this
Sorry for sounding like an AI to you. I actually speak 4 langages, doing my best to translate my thoughts in english because people like you cant understand anything else.
I actually speak 4 languages
Congratulations.
You’re on a Marxist forum with users all over the world, not Reddit.
Being multilingual isn’t fucking special, most of the world is, and most of our users are.
South Park is for juvenile contrarians and baby brained libertarians. There nothing complex about it.
It’s certainly more nuanced and intelligent than the majority of people who reply to me here and seem incapable of any argument other than insults. So far I’ve mostly add positive interaction on Lemmy, this community is fill with people who seem to live beyond their intellectual means.
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Give one example of the show actually making a good argument.
I feel like this sub is just privilege wannabes justice warriors, there’s nothing complex about all the point people are making. insults are not a valid argument.
you are defending a show with one of the most transphobic caricatures ever made on a site that is largely queer or queer-positive. i don’t know what you expect man. you have to give examples to prove your point if you want people to engage in detail, but instead you revert directly to calling your critics idiots (in the most reddit-brained passive aggressive humblebragging way possible) for simply stating their contrary opinion.
Calling anybody who points out libertarians are vapid morons “privellaged wannabee justice warriors” could be an entire season of Southpark.
Nobody is surprised the dumbshit libertarian dude thinks Southpark is clever and subversive.
If you think the ideas presented in South Park aren’t simplistic then that’s a problem with you and not everyone else
They have funny episodes and moments, but outside of shock value I find it mostly annoying. These guys cover the most recent topics and try to come up with some centrist take within a week. I don’t know if they’re still doing the overarching storyline for each season, but at least when I watched it it was rather stale and ignorant
The funny episodes are the ones about how ridiculous kids can be and aren’t political, like the superhero one, or the Lord of the Rings one, or the one where they play with weapons.
I think Trey and Matt realize it too, because all of the recent South Park games are about those, and they actually need to sell those games.
interchangeability. By that I mean that I firmly believe that people who are incapable of discussion and questioning their ideas are similar, no matter what side they’re on.
when you’re too dumb to come up with a clever insult so you make up a definitionIt’s actually how it’s define in french. Maybe it doesn’t translate well in english. Do your part for equality and look it up lol. Anyway can you come up with anything else than insults? For a bunch of open-minded boys, you sure all use the same the same rhetoric as right-wing fascists.
“being rude to me is the same thing as fascism”
jesus christ son that doctorate is meaningless isn’t it
Hey, watch your mouth or I’ll talk to the king of england and get you deported to louisiana again
By that I mean that I firmly believe that people who are incapable of discussion and questioning their ideas are similar, no matter what side they’re on.
Most of us here on hexbear were born and raised in western countries, many of us in the exact sort of conservative families you’re talking about. Yet we are all here today advocating for the most heavily demonized political positions in these countries. We’re communists and anarchists. We want a fundamentally different system.
And you think we are the ones who are “incapable of questioning ideas”? Hilarious.
I’m older than you by the way, which obviously means that I’m right and you’re wrong
Lmfao nobody else was brave enough to say that Al gore was a lunatic
Representing global warming as the Manbearpig as if it’s some imaginary threat was a bold move, but also a very dumb one.
At least they acknownledged that mistake in later episodes, but they still have a lot of reactionary takes like in the episode about plant based burgers.
Also they apologized for one of their full length episodes dedicated to shitting onnpeople who care about climate change.
They bring up anything about the episode where they said the smugness of people who care about climate change is worse than the actual effects of climate change.
Where people who wanted electric vehicles were so obsessed with sniffing their own farms it caused a storm like in the day after tomorrow.
This is an interesting example. They actually did a whole episode where they admitted they were wrong about Al Gore 15 years ago and have been discussing climate change in different ways since. In this age where no one ever admits to being wrong about anything, I thought it was refreshing and rather brave indeed.
You dont have to agree with everything they do
In this age where no one ever admits to being wrong about anything
You talk in very interesting cliches, I will simply give 0 credit to the South Park goons
