I had an account on lemmy.one and now the instance has been down for a day or two so I made this new account. I also heard other small instances are dead or disappeared.
So which ones do you think will actually stick around for a long time?
ALSO, does anyone know how to get my subscriptions from lemmy.one and import it here? TIA!
Instances with
more than one admin
clear policies and active moderation
engaged user base
regular backups
no porn…will stand a better chance than most.
No porn? Why?
.ca allows porn. You actually have to click “show NSFW” during sign up if you want to see it, so it’s not on by default, and it’s very easy to turn on/off if you want it.
I find that the instances that ban porn also ban a lot of other stuff that isn’t bad. Feels like I’m in church and everything is being censored.
Surely keeping the csam out means someone on every nsfw instance needs to look at a whooole lotta porn, including sick stuff they really really don’t want to see. For no pay. I can’t see a way for that to last long so either an instance bans porn or stops moderating and gets defederated.
Sure, but isn’t that something all of the instances will have to deal with, whether they allow nsfw content or not, I bet people will try to post it. And the trolls/sabouteurs will go for the sick shit.
Yeah, true, although it’ll be a lot worse for the mods on nsfw instances where they need to make a judgement call about what crossed which line or not. That’s 10x more difficult than just deleting everything that gets reported enough times.
I could see a better chance with one of the experienced porn Admins from Reddit, they have years of experience and are probably used to even worse shit!
Depending on your hosting provider TOS you may not be able to host porn without risking your instance.
NSFW and Porn are not the same thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_safe_for_work
The marked content may contain graphic violence, pornography, profanity, nudity, slurs or other potentially disturbing subject matter.
Square rectangle sort of thing, no?
All porn is NSFW. But not all NSFW stuff is porn.
Yeah, it’s a terrible term that needs to be done away with.
Exactly my point. Thank you.
I’m hopeful that the well moderated nsfw instances stick around so no 4chan-esque instances have a chance to replace them and metastasize past mass defederation
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Same here lol. I’m keen to keep this instance going even if I end up being the only user. I’ve toyed with the idea of what I might do if I did end up with a bunch of users (would i cap at a certain amount of usrrs, how would I put the feelers out to get mods, etc).
The “niche” I’m going for is no reliance on public cloud. I run everything on my own hardware, back it up myself, scale it as needed and maintain it myself. That won’t appeal to everyone, but I’m not trying to be the biggest instance.
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I guess instances run by SDF. They’ve been around since 1987 when they started with BBS. And since 1991 they are running the public access UNIX system. They also have Mastodon servers, Minecraft server and other stuff. These are their Lemmy instances:
lemmy.sdf.org - somewhere in US
lemmy.sdfeu.org - Falkenstein, Vogtland, Germany
lemmy.sdfjp.org - Tokyo, Japan
lemmy.sdfcn.org - Hong Kong
lemmy.sdfin.org - Mumbai, IndiaCool! I’ll sign upf or one.
Yeah. Good list.
Not to sound too pessimistic, but we live in a time where we see Twitter collapsing, despite being one of those “too big to fail” websites. My bet is that none will stand the test of time, the web is ephemeral (and archive.org is an underappreciated wonder of the world). I would rather say that what you really need is a backup routine.
On one hand, a Sonic hacking forum I’ve been a part of since before its current forum software has been running the same database since 2003, on the other hand I fully acknowledge that it’s the exception and not the rule.
So have other forums. Maybe it’s just these newfangled social media websites that have longevity issues?
Because they crave more growth rather than prioritizing stability and being true to what they’re purpose of existence is. These social media forum try to be everything and that is their downfall. Being focused on what you were built for and being damn good at it is the real key to a platform’s long life.
Doomworld still going strong since the 90s as well.
I wish they stayed longer or given notice if they’re disappearing.
Yes indeed, giving proper notice seems like minimal etiquette. Then again, life happens. Admin may be caught in some tragedy making maintaining their lemmy instance not exactly a priority, or they may even be dead.
There is not much you can do to just migrate your account somewhere else, that’s a limitation of federation (compared to fully decentralized protocols, like Secure Scuttlebutt), but I’d wish Lemmy would implement ActivityPub’s following endpoint, so we can easily build scripts to backup the communities we’re in.
Don’t think this is a strange phenomenon or that it’s permanent. I’ve seen Mastodon (and Pleroma and Misskey etc) instances get born and die regularly. This is because it’s easy to set up an instance but it’s also easy to fall in an economic problem or just give up.
Not everyone is ready to set up their own instance; it requires dedication and resources.
The fediverse really needs some kind of universal login and a way to easily migrate accounts between instances.
Not so much migrate as be able to use it from anywhere and have it replicated. Same with communities.
Give things a unique ID, and access it from anywhere, even if the original server goes away.
This kind of thing may not be possible with current ActivityPub protocols, but there’s always room for improvement.
The universal login is a very old suggestion but it’srealluy hard to pull off because that would have to be build into the core of the protocol. About the migration, that’s a Lemmy issue, not a general Fediverse one
Not really; login mechanisms are a separate thing. OAuth already exists. You only need Fediverse software to accept OAuth from anywhere and to provide it to others.
The migration part is IMO harder, but not necessarily by much. I don’t know of any fediverse software that’d allow it though.
What I mean with “universal login” is one account for multiple Fediverse services, I guess that wasn’t clear from my post. Yea, proper migration is hard and questionable if we should even allow it (could cause all kinds of issues, espwcially regarding account security) but Mastodon allows you to move your followers and add a redirect which is the most important part of the account and Lemmy should probably try to do something similar with ranks and communities.
The ones with the most porn
I wonder how donations for nsfw instances are going
People love to talk about porn. But do they pay for it in a context where it’s expected to be free?
I ain’t got nothin better to do so might as well run a server forever
I plan to keep running this instance for a long time. As long as there are weebs here on Lemmy, I will give them a home lol
Btw, I also had a lemmy.one account. It was my first Lemmy account too. Hope they get back up and running.
how is it on finance side btw? is hosting this instance is bearable or is it burning a hole in your pocket?
also i noticed that our instance has 100% uptime. great work on that!
Thanks! I’d say things are very manageable financially for now.
ALSO, does anyone know how to get my subscriptions from lemmy.one and import it here? TIA!
The other instance has to be up. If it’s permanently down, there’s nothing I can do.
- Login to https://natoboram.github.io/Leanish/lemmy.one/login
- Export your user in https://natoboram.github.io/Leanish/lemmy.one/settings
- Login to https://natoboram.github.io/Leanish/lemmy.ca/login
- Import your old user in https://natoboram.github.io/Leanish/lemmy.ca/settings
- Click on the big button
It will search for the subscribed communities, attempt to retrieve them and attempt to subscribe. Refresh the page between tries. Do not share your exported user; it contains your email.
Leanish is very much alpha and doesn’t have all features. There’s tons of missing features, many of them listed in the GitHub issues.
I have hosted a lot of my own services for a couple of years and plan to continue hosting my instance(endlesstalk.org) indefinitely, unless something very major happens.
As others have mentioned I think multiple admins and backups(hard to verify though) are a good sign, but its only indications and you can’t really be sure, if a instance will be there forever. I think there needs to be an easy way to migrate accounts and then the instances going down hopefully gives a notice, so you can move your account.
Gonna be difficult to recover accounts from instance going down without a notice I think. You could regularly take a backup of your account, but that is tedious and you will still lose some data.
Can you upload your comment history to a new instance? Does that question even make sense? I’m not sure what backing up means, I guess. Just an archive?
There are tools that can backup and migrate communities, blocks and settings like lasim for a user. So you can migrate between instances.
As far as I know, there aren’t any tools that can migrate comment history and I think anything that could do that, would need to be backed into lemmy itself(Which it isn’t currently).
Lemmy.world
.world gang
I’m running my own instance, JUST so I can be in control of my own Lemmy experience (and in control of my own archive of my Lemmy activity). I’m not going anywhere anytime soon.
Yes, my instance was down for three days last week. I had trouble with an update and didn’t have time to troubleshoot it. But I wanted my Lemmy so I DID get around to it and got it working again. And yeah… I never did get email working properly so when my ONE friend who’s not me joined my instance I had to command line into the database and approve him manually. But so what?
And yeah, eventually the internet ecosystem may shift again, or I might get hit by a bus or who knows?
But if you WANT to join a tiny instance that’s 99.999% (bus factor) not going anywhere for a while, I’d probably let you join mine.
How many GB is your filesystem/database as a single-user instance?
Not the person you ask, but as I’m in the same boat (finally got everything running except email lol), I use a scrap dell PC with a 8gen hexacore, 512GB SSD, 4TB HD & 8GB RAM on a 1Gb/~700Mb line 🤷 I’m aiming at an artsy/comics drawings server (hence some initial space) and I think I’ll open it up for inscriptions when I have figured out the OVH mail config…
But it’s a big step, today if it crams it’s just impacting me.
Cheers!
I don’t host my own instance but that sounds immensly overpowered for the job! Lemmy doesn’t even host images and pure text, a database and web interface shouldn’t be that hard to host
Yeah I know, I’ll probably use it for other things too :-)
I have pictrs alongside Lemmy though, so I can share images in Lemmy.
Awesome, self-hosting for the win! :)
8.5 gigs currently.
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Heey! Mine too!
People often compare fediverse with email. But it is email as it was in 90x, not as it is now. Ant it was not that great that time, tbh.
Ideally, you need to select an instance which is already quite solid has enough users, has several admins and clear financing and which is not the most busy instance because we want decentralisation.
This is really an issue for kemmy as well as matrix - recommendations how to select a server contradict each other 🤔
Email in the 1990s and email in 2020s is the same if you’re running your own MTA.
Sure. If you do everything yourself, like implement antispam, backup, maintenance, high availability, etc - then it is mostly the same.
HA for personal MTA is way overkill, just run a second instance with higher MX record value. Antispam is a given, backups are snapshots, maintenance is just system updates. Of course, you could just run an appliance which does it all for you. I’d say it’s way easier than in 1990s.
my original comment was about using e-mail service provided by others. Hosting own e-mail server as well as a lemmy instance is … not for “normal” people (as well as serving their cars or build a house etc)
Happily, I’m abnormal that way. I also dabble in PV DIY. Building houses from scratch, no. Servicing a modern car is also not worth it. Sadly, no open source EVs yet available.
Out of the loop, what happened to Lemmy.one?
Seems to be down, I haven’t heard any news but can no longer log in
Website seems to still exist, maybe they’re doing some involved equipment upgrade.
Some people are speculating a database error, because apparently 0.18.3 requires a database migration to work, here’s the other post I just saw about this: https://lemdit.com/post/262746
I think probably this is it. Db upgrades are scary as hell.
That makes sense, maybe there’s hope for it.
As long as lemmy remains popular there will be new servers/instances popping up. I found my start on lemmy quite rocky with servers vanishing sometimes with notice and then others just vanishing without notice, Anyway I quickly adapted and began to keep a list of communities I like to frequent while this list is still small I’m sure by the time it starts to become an issue there will be tools that make it a non issue.
I’ve started becoming more nomad in my use of lemmy compared to somewhere like reddit where I had just one account for eight years I just open a new account with the knowledge that it’s not permanent it doesn’t belong to me and there will be a time when I need to move on.
