Update: The parties of the left coalition have publicly reaffirmed their commitment to the coalition, sending a message to Macron that they will not govern under the liberals
I want to say, I’m French and this is reassuring. Sure it’s not a massive victory for the left, because New Popular Front is full of succdems, but it’s actually a massive defeat for the far right and the media who support them. It’s cool that their demonizing of the only truly anti-racist party (LFI) didn’t work. It’s also a small defeat for the neolibs who are just in the low phase of their cycle of holding power.
We’ll see if fuckhead president will choose to take full power and rule alone or take a succdem imperialist prime minister and continue business as usual
Oh yeah this is much more a story of Macron’s negative political instinct and a massive fumble by the far right with a wide open door as a path to power. This is a HUGE rejection of the far right
i want to believe but ive been so broken by the crushing of the yellow vest and retirement protests that nothing short of a revolution will give me hope… I’m still happy the far right got their asses handed to them after months of media circus
He tried to imitate Pedro Sánchez, but he didn’t realize that Pedro’s instincts are out of this world.
tbf pedro bungled his first few tries at snap election, and he never got what he wanted which was an absolute majority, ended up having to do what he didn’t want which was letting podemos into the government
Podemos/sumar doesn’t even behave “badly”, they hang out with psoe and make cheesy speeches
It doesn’t matter how rejected they are, history is proven they’re willing to coup governments ruled by people too cowardly to oppose them.
Time will tell how this will turn out.
So, what does this mean for future legislation in France? Or the Presidential race once Macron’s term is up?
So, what does this mean for future legislation in France?
The big question is whether or not Macron is going to uphold the tradition of naming a prime minister elected by the majority faction of the National Assembly. If he does so maybe France will have some social democracy as a treat and recognise the state of Palestine if we’re lucky.
He could also not give a fuck as far as I know, French president is a de-jure dictator in the fifth republic’s constitution.
He could also resign which would be… funny I guess?
Or the Presidential race once Macron’s term is up?
Too soon to know about that. Mélenchon could come back or not, if he doesn’t nobody knows who would run for LFI. The next mainstream neolib too is unknown. The only certain thing is that we have our Party For Racism that will probably be a threat as usual
not much, the left is not in the majority. This basically means that the president and the PM (nominated by the president according who controls the parliament) the house will probably not agree on anything until the next election. The left coalition can probably form an alliance with Macron’s coalition to pass certain legislation which will betray their commitment. Or the President can stall the parliament until the next election and the coalition breaks and eventually loses (IIRC this is what happened last election when France insoumie and the Socialist party “splitted” the vote)
Why do I get the feeling they’re just delaying the inevitable, especially if they compromise with the liberals and do more austerity. That seems to be a deadly pattern for socdems in the history of the left.
Socdem works within capitalism framework, all they can do is compromise
Le programme concernant l’international fait l’objet de forts compromis172,173, en particulier le conflit israélo-palestinien174,175 :
Agir pour la libération des otages détenus depuis les massacres terroristes du Hamas, dont est rejeté le projet théocratique
you know who compromised more.
Yeah sad AF
I respect Mélenchon mostly for being decent on China, Russia and Palestine, which is what’s most controversial about him. Strategically it makes sense to throw geopolitics under the bus so the pink imperialists would go along, but it’s sad nonetheless
I think the geopolitical matters is not the main thing i like about Melenchon. Yes, he is good at it, but over years France is fluid in their foreign policy, Macron talked big on Chinese Human right issues last term but when money talk comes, the dude still goes to Beijing to secure more contracts. Mélenchon’s last election promised electoral reform and the dissolution of the 5e republic, which is needed and necessary, but I have yet seen a party that will dissolve the system that allows them to come to power in the first place.
That’s true, we’re mostly big time opportunists on international matter. Let’s hope we at least keep it that way so we can pivot out of US influence.
The idea of changing the constitution is one of the things that gives credible hope. However I’m not totally confident in our ability to not be toppled like Gaddafi or Allende if that happens
I have zero faith he will keep this positions and not fold to the right.
Actually he only got further left by growing older. He learnt about Islamophobia, transphobia, anti-colonialism and integrated everything to his political line. He was at the big tent succdem party at some point and now his party is treated like an existential threat by the French bourgeoisie
The bourgeoisie treats everything that could cut into profits as an existential threat, look at Sanders for example.
I hate to be a downer but… It is good and valuable that the fash didn’t do as well as all the talking heads on TV predicted/hoped. It is also good that the centre-left coalition is the largest block, ahead of the various reactionary ones.
But… but… We are celebrating that the “left”, and by left we include succdems and libs, got roughly a third of the seats in parliament. That the left, by the widest possible definition of the term, is a minority.
I don’t know French politics but I know centrist liberals. They might be mad about the fash eating their lunch but ultimately they are going to follow the class interest they represent and side with the fash against the left, especially if the fash offers to support a liberal government in return for crackdowns on those deemed inferior.
Sweden used to be the prime example of “good liberals” with the succdems and the “respectable” right agreeing to keep the fascist SD party away from all influence. But in the end the temptation grew too big and now Sweden is ruled by a right-wing regime supported by the fash.
I will be surprised if the “respectable” French centre-right doesn’t end up doing something similar in the end.
I think RN/Ensemble coalition is unworkable, at least right now. Macron’s brand is staked too much in being the safeguard against the fascists, and I don’t see RN having any reason to hitch themselves to what has been a very unpopular administration. At the very least, these results mean that if either Macron or RN wants a functional right-wing government, the political costs are going to be severe.
but allying with centrist party tanks the ideological party, so the danger is in npf working with ensemble, and tanking its support by doing grown-up realistic compromises
Yeah if they’re left like Mette Frederiksen is left… Gonna be a tough road ahead
PLEASE I WANT TO BELIEVE
ok france still sucks
We need to praise the greatness of comrades in all nations.
Think of the great contributions to our immortal movement made by British and French socialists.
france bad
You’re American tbf
america sucks shit
Oui
yes
Always knew French people were based! Don’t check my posting history.
@frogwordcountbot
The Internet Communist Community has Forgiven France
I was happy about this, then I saw that they want to keep sending weapons to Ukraine and back a two-state solution in Palestine. Still better than the demokkkrats but that’s a low bar. The French left still hasn’t learned how they lost everything after 1945 because of their appalling foreign policy, especially with regard to Algeria and Vietnam.
Melenchon just announced that France will recognize Palestine asap which is better than nothing
Can’t expect more from sucdems I guess, the most important thing is fascism is halted for now at least.
I wouldn’t call Mélenchon and LFI socdem, but let’s see how much his party is included in the government.
We’ll see I suppose, historically in Europe demsoc parties were only distinguishable from succdem parties by a bit harsher rhetoric, anywhere they’ve tasted power they haven’t really gone beyond moderate socdem reforms as far as I know.
I hope so.
The NPF isn’t so much “the french left” as it is the french left (pc and lfi) with eurocuck greens and center left neoliberals (second largest member), it doesn’t shock me that stuff like nato and ukraine aren’t even on the table as discussable topics
I thought I saw that the PCF was part of their coalition…?
it is, I forgot the f and just said pc, but it’s the 4th largest party and it will only get 10-12 MPs, doesn’t have much weight as shown by that program
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a republic created by an army general behaves like an authoritarian democracy.
More news at 11
Wake me up if they actually start implementing non-neoliberal policies
François Hollande, former head of the Socialist Party, is the controversial figure who started the Pension reform because French populace needs to live austere in difficult time.
This party is one of the main members of this left coalition
The same Hollande who admitted to sabotaging Minsk agreement? Lmao, “the left”.
I heard he was sad for the colonial soldiers after viewing Jamel Debbouze‘s movie that he decided to allow them to have veteran pension when 90% of them are dead already
HOPE MANIFESTED
I imagine these polls are framed along the lines of the US ones where they ask shit like “on a scale of 1 to 5, how liberal are you?”
Very liberal (pcf)
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Commune of France when???
How ‘left’ are the NPF? Soc dem?
Its a grouping of 5 smaller leftish parties, so pretty ideologically diverse. It only came together like two months ago per CNN, ad hoc when Macron called for the general election.
Their main unifying factor is not wanting the far right in control.
Whatever disagreements I might have with them, full respect for moving so quick on this.
Center left neoliberals (your modern socdems) are the second largest party in the coalition, the first are left populists based around the celebrity character of Melenchon, the 3rd are green eurocucks and 4th are the old school communists, then there’s a sputtering of center to left parties
