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Wish the US would do that. Being lgbtq+ is not a disease, but the hatred towards the community is. YOU CAN’T TURN LGBTQ+ FROM SEEING IT OR READING ABOUT IT. AND IT IS NOT A MENTAL HEALTH CONDITION.
Wish the US would do that.
Liberals are happy with the token gestures made toward the community while doing nothing materially to combat the right’s all out war on trans and other LGBTQ people. People like DeSatan are making a big push to make queer people the “other” of fascism.
“You don’t think
is a good politician? You don’t like LGBTQ+ drone pilots? 
Tell it to the judge.”In the US this is exactly how it would play out. Just like being against Israel’s apartheid and genocidal practices just gets called antisemitic to shut down the conversation.
Sure that would happen, but I still think it would be worth it despite the false positives. I dont know how many chuds getting their rights violated is worth an innocent person having theirs be as well. Maybe 100?
I’m saying it would be exclusively be used to prop up imperialism with the façade of it being progressive. Day to day hate speech wouldn’t be punished, liberalism will only weaponize human rights for its own purposes.
We’re gonna get the homophobes with the gay roller 2000 :3
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Activating all sleeper gays by waving a rainbow flag.
YOU CAN’T TURN LGBTQ+ FROM SEEING IT OR READING ABOUT IT
but you can see yourself and come out of the closet, and the phobes hate that. there’s no getting through to them that we didn’t make their kid gay or trans or whatever, they’re just shitty parents unworthy of trust.
there’s no getting through to them that we didn’t make their kid gay or trans or whatever, they’re just shitty parents unworthy of trust.
One of my shitty relatives is a high school teacher, and recently was bragging to other family members about how there’s, “none of that «synonym for automobile transmission that’s also a slur» bullshit at MY school!”
You not being aware of transgender kids existing isn’t the weird flex you think it is. It means that your students don’t feel safe around you.
yeah, the goal of such rhetoric and the legislation it produces is to drive queer people as deep into the closet as possible, whether they’re already out or not.
It’s also to
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drive LGBT+ people to suicide. It also serves to kill queer people by making us less likely to seek medical attention and less likely to report hate crimes
That’s the inherit problem the phones don’t want to admit that their world won’t be perfect because it doesn’t fit their narrative of everybody must think like me. Even though a lot of their phobia is based on a book of fairy tales and someones personal interpretation of it.
But who was phone?
Nobody ever ask how was phone
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Sorry my phone autocorrected 😂😂 it was supposed to be phobes
It’s okay, I got to make an ancient meme joke because of your phobe’s autocorrect.
Lmao. Good one
If you scaled this up for all variants of hate speech it could be a simple and effective method of imprisoning a lot of people that make up the right. Since pretty much all reactionary thought is based in oppressive hierarchies if you simply make it illegal to be phobic of everything you can solve almost all of it. They’d try to do it through degrees of abstraction like “states rights” dogwhistles but I don’t see why you shouldn’t make abstraction illegal either, everyone can see it for what it is as a means of sidestepping.
Shit this isn’t a funny comment so for balance I’ll also say without theory the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor.
don’t see why you shouldn’t make abstraction illegal either
I know you mean abstracted versions of hate speech, but the idea of a government outlawing abstraction in general is extremely funny
Picasso?
mathematicians:
outlawing abstraction
Neoliberal meta culture be like
Building my server farm with a live database of all known world financial transactions instead of saying “economy”
no more half measures walter
I treasure all of these and collect them permanently marked as unread in my inbox.
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the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor
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do you think anyone who says something hateful should end up in prison? that feels like a little much to me…
Why? Hatespeech causes death and a measurably large quantity of it. Treating it with the seriousness of the consequences it creates is in fact sensible.
This has several benefits, it prevents the politicians from using it as a weapon, since they can’t actually say anything homophobic without imprisonment.
In the longterm you do re-education instead. But this is perfectly good in the interim.
Isn’t hatespeech something planned before hand? targeted towards a specific person or group? that obviously should be punishable, or if you have a huge audience and platform and share hateful stuff, then I definitely agree
but something laxer like a conservative grandma complaining about gay people on her personal facebook and things like that, i wouldn’t think she deserves to go to jail
Isn’t hatespeech something planned before hand?
neither is manslaughter. reduced or stayed sentences make sense but it’s still best to stamp it out.
all manslaughter results in the same horrible effect, but in terms of hate speech I think there’s a huge difference between a big influencer making a hitpiece and a conservative weirdo complaining to his family or his single digit follower count, the damage is nowhere near the same, and punishing so severely something like the latter case might have the opposite effect and only increase the hatred
all hatespeech also has the same effect: driving political minorities out of public life, building the base for fascism to grow its roots. it’s the degree of harm that varies, not the kind. so the severity of the response should also vary but a socialist society should absolutely outlaw hatespeech, just as it should expropriate private property. reeducation should absolutely follow for everyone but committed fascists. bigots should be afraid to spew their bile. is it harsh? absolutely. but as someone who’s personally been chased by a group of bigots screaming slurs with the obvious intent to beat me, allowing them to move openly only helps them build power and enables precisely those sorts of attacks.
If you believe the severity should vary on the degree of harm caused by the hate speech, then we mostly agree on everything
I would say I’ve been harrassed for being queer a lot of times and I’ve never seen a bigot be afraid, threats and punishment just make them feel vindicated sadly
If you believe the severity should vary on the degree of harm caused by the hate speech, then we mostly agree on everything
I would say I’ve been harrassed for being queer a lot of times and I’ve never seen a bigot be afraid, threats and punishment just make them feel vindicated sadly
I think they are being a little unserious. Maybe they’re in a mood or something. I don’t think this approach would increase hatred except to the state, but you would also literally have most of society in prison, so . . .
the more serious answer is that you suspend the sentences for minor offenders and attempt to rehabilitate them. repeat offenders need to be separated from society with more intensive reeducation. but the threat needs to be there to prevent them from organizing against the state by stoking latent bigotries.
but something laxer like a conservative grandma complaining about gay people on her personal facebook and things like that, i wouldn’t think she deserves to go to jail
But hate and hate speech always start small like the conservative grandma. That’s why you have to put the “fear of god” in them for even the smallest infractions. If they know they’ll get “wished into a cornfield” for just saying “I hate…”, then curbing hate speech becomes more effective.
fear doesn’t work with bigots, fear makes them more extreme, all the escalations in hatred they’ve done is because they manufactured something to be afraid about, like conspiracy theories and made up panics, they should be stripped of their power to do harm, so their platform, but more severe punishments would only give them an even bigger narrative to boast about I think…
I think they’ll just say the hate speech where they know people who’d report it can’t hear them and their hatred will grow because they’ll get to feel like opressed victims and make up conspiracies about the gay world order and whatever. Or they’ll save the hate speech and commit more horrible crimes without any traceable precedent if lax stuff will get them jailed anyways
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First Amendment fans when someone is arrested for perjury: 🙂
First Amendment fans when someone is arrested for making a threat: 🙂
First Amendment fans when someone is arrested for conspiracy to commit murder: 🙂
First Amendment fans when someone is arrested for blackmail: 🙂
First Amendment fans when someone is arrested for lying to the shareholders: 🙂
First Amendment fans when someone is arrested for saying that we need to kill all the gays because they’re grooming children: 😡😡😡
obviously if they say something that extreme it should be punished
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for those with a lot of power like those in the daily wire, for me prison is definitely way too little, those people are extremely evil and vile and their words have killed many innocent lives, but to have that exact response for every bigot as if they cause the same amount of harm feels like an overreach…
A socialist system of justice would be focused on treatment and rehabilitation. Most minor offenders would probably receive a suspended sentence and not have to do jail time as long as they followed the conditions of their probation.
As for repeat offenders and propagandists there has to be an effective deterrent to prevent them from endangering targeted minorities.
As for repeat offenders and propagandists there has to be an effective deterrent to prevent them from endangering targeted minorities.
they need to be separated from society but I don’t think it’s obvious that they’re past reeducation and rehabilitation. if rehabilitation fails, yeah, I agree.
They will be rehabilitated through labor in the poetry mines
I agree
In a government with like red cops, yeah. I’m not fundamentally opposed to the use of force, in fact I think we should use it very liberally against people who aren’t communist.
if that’s most of the population how will you get support?
“no more peach, only freeze now”
See sweaty elections do matter so
No for real though pretty based if true. Homophobic?
If you can elect a Lula then your vote matters.
The fact you can’t elect a lula is why your vote doesn’t matter.
They matter in nations outside of the imperial core. Within the core there’s 0% chance of success
Depends how you define a success, but Lula is hardly a radical leftist either. Most of the Brazilian communists I know did vote for him in the 2nd round, but that was more to stop Bolsonaro than because they considered his election some sort of ‘success’
It was a supreme court decision so not really an elected decision. Brings to mind the interest debates in state theory about majority and countermajority institutions in bourgeouis democracy…
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Homophobic slurs now punishable with prison sentences in Brazil, High Court rules
A near-unanimous ruling in a Brazilian High Court has ruled that homophobic hate speech is on the same level as racist hate speech – and is punishable with a prison sentence.
A 9-1 ruling handed down through the Supreme Federal Court (STF) on Tuesday (22 August) ruled that homophobia is a crime, much like other forms of hate speech.
Lead judge on the case, Justice Edson Fachin, said in his ruling that protecting LGBTQ+ citizens under the law was a “constitutional imperative.”
Article 20 of the Brazillian Penal Code states that practising, inducing, or inciting discrimination “based on race, colour, ethnicity, religion, or national origin” is punishable by one to three years in prison and a substantial fine.
Other hate speech protections already imposed in Brazillian law extend to HIV-positive individuals. Those found guilty of discriminating against HIV-positive people can face one to four years in prison.
Judges had previously ruled in 2019 that homophobic hate speech is a crime equivalent to racism, but earlier decisions pertained to the LGBTQ+ community as a whole rather than attacks on specific individuals.
The ruling, which was brought by the rights group ABGLT, means that those protections will be extended further.
ABGLT argued that, because Brazil’s legislature separately defines hate speech against a group, which it calls a “crime of racism” and hate speech against an individual, which it calls a “crime of racial injury,” LGBTQ+ citizens were not currently protected.
The only judge to vote against the request, minister Cristiano Zanin, argued that to recognise homophobia as a “crime of racial injury” was not relevant to previous rulings.
Brazil is considered to be one of the most dangerous places in the world for trans people according to the rights group Transgender Europe.
Statistics show that 1,741 trans people have been murdered in the country between 2008 and 2022, with 228 murders of LGBTQ+ people in Brazil in 2022 alone
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What a slippery slope. First I can’t dehumanize other orientations, what’s next? Not being able to dehumanize other races? Other ages? Other body types? Where does it end?
This is actually an expansion of an existing anti-racism law
First they came for the racists and I didn’t speak up because I’m not racist. Then they came for the homophobes and I didn’t speak up because I’m not homophobic. Then they came for the redditors but there was no one left to post for me.
but muh free speech to be a bigoted bitch
Brazil’s legislation doesn’t believe in slippery slopes. It doesn’t have a “precedent” system like the US for example. Every ruling needs to be judged by its own merits.
Another common law L
The American “precedent” system is actually insane when you think about it for too long. Why on earth should we be basing punishment on some prior case? if the law isn’t clear enough, it should be amended to be clearer
It only makes sense when an unruly, uneducated mob is trying to determine what is fair.
Considering it was a system implemented by aristocrats, I doubt that.
The justice system of, for example, the Yunan peasant uprising wasn’t perfect, but it was far superior.
Damn, I got called out. This is what I get for not following Mao’s advice.
Remember, the ruling ideology in all societies is the ideology of the respective ruling class.
looking into it this law is actually an extension on laws against racism now applying those laws to homophobia and transphobia
Oh no da west is truly lost 😢
Numero um campeão do mundo 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
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lololololol at that last one
Is bolsonaro still hiding in Florida?
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