My folks: maybe a dictator is what we need.
… my has the educational system failed you. Or perhaps you don’t understand the meaning of words? Did those years of leaded gasoline get to you? I’m dumbfounded.
They are brainwashed. I got a cold for the 2nd time this season. My dad: well you shouldn’t have gotten the flu shot. My response in front of the whole family: I thought you didn’t go to college let alone medical school. How did you have the time with all the television you watch?
Indeed. I’ve been trying to push them away from watching so much Fox News and actually picking up a book on these topics. I’ve seen the stuff they watch, and it’s all garbage. Of course they are going to think crazy things if everything they are consuming is crazy.
It’s a real shame. I can’t completely separate from these people, but I’ve lost friends over such ridiculous claims. It’s a shame.
At the end of the day they are lazy and don’t care to actually use their brains. This a huge problem with older Americans.
This a huge problem with older Americans.
This a huge problem with uneducated, ignorant people of ALL AGES - go to any right wing area of the country.
Remember if you ever mention communism it’s “DiCtAtOrS KiLlEd PeOpLe!” But if it’s Trump dictatorship then suddenly it’s ok.
I hate these people.
They would be hurting the right people this time around
Gross. I’m sorry ☹️
The Allies forced the German civilians to dig graves for the concentration camps so they could see the inhumanity their complacency and tacit approval caused. I’ve never appreciated my history classes more and I’m terribly sorry for the schools and children that are performing historical revisionism to well documented events.
Also, I went to the gatewaypundit site TFG linked to and read some comments. One commenter suggesting someone who disagreed commit suicide (and of course they knew how to bypass filters, so it’s a tactic they use often). Folks are still suggesting the election was stolen then with the same breath saying to circle the ballot processing centers and not let vans through. The cognitive dissonance for these self-titled “critical thinkers” is beyond scary.
Edit: wanted to fact check my memory, here’s a photo.
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And, the overwhelmingly dominant reaction the German civilians had in the destruction that was the aftermath of the war, was self-pity and resentment towards their enemies (“how could the allies be so cruel to us, we didn’t do anything”). In fairness, their conditions were very hard (starvation, disease, prostitution, desperation) but there was effectively no recognition at all of any responsibility on the German side for what was “happening to them”. Germany 1945 goes into a lot of the harrowing details and the German people’s reaction to them.
TL;DR get ready for the Trump rank-and-file to never acknowledge responsibility for anything, no matter how badly it plays out.
At my US high school we spent two days in mandatory silence walking around the classroom viewing these types of Holocaust pictures and reading descriptions of the images.
We spent the rest of the lesson arc discussing and unpacking the atrocities and horror of radicalization, hatred, ignorance, and war as a group. It was a surreal experience.
We had a similar experience in US history with slavery and the Civil Rights movement.
How did they cover the Trail of Tears or the Red Cloud War?
My town was named after a Native American Chief so it had a heavy influence on some of the lessons including the whole inhumane way we ruthlessly pursued the Manifest Destiny mentality *as a country, not my town in particular.
One of my grandfather’s was Red Cloud. I have lost count of how many times I have asked people, almost always when they are talking about US History, if they know who he was and they don’t.
Red Cloud was the only native chief/general to combine multiple tribes into an army. He is also the only guy to force the US Army to surrender.
Dude was probably one of the most bad ass warriors to ever be born in the Americas but rarely do people know who he is. They know Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse but rarely do they know Red Cloud.
I didn’t know about this. Thanks for informing me!
That’s an incredible lineage to say the least. Keep spreading the history that so often goes unacknowledged. It gets suppressed, rewritten, and glossed over all too often.
Do you have have any family memories from your grandfather from that time?
My mother was the first one born outside of the traditional territory or reservation. My older cousins tell stories about how their grandmother (my mother’s grandmother) was a child during that age. She was on her mother’s back when they went looking for survivors of the Wounded Knee massacre. How she remembers sitting on Red Cloud’s lap and making him laugh.
There’s much more painful stuff so those good stories are like medicine. Reminders that even in darkness there’s a little light.
Red Cloud would be five generations away from me.
I’m so happy you replied. This has been a really great follow-up. I’ll definitely share your story whenever I can. There’s always a little bit of light out there.
It’s absolutely tragic that, at the rate we’re going, when the final survivors die off the denialists are going to take over. Knowledge of what happened is already poor today, in a couple decades it’s gonna be bad. I wish we would push back against the ignorance more but it seems it requires a huge amount of effort.
Important point here is the Allies didn’t select for German civilians who supported the Nazis, they ALL shared blame for it even if they were just doing what they could to survive under the circumstances. Keep that in mind if you’re a Democrat voter and think you’ve “done your duty” or whatever. Saying you hate Trump online doesn’t matter for anything and the only Germans who had any respect after WW2 likely died in the resistance or in camps. So the moral posturing within the very political system that’s causing this by which you asset superiority because you are anti-Trump, at the end of the day it has zero significance if it doesn’t work. Given Trump’s polling numbers I wouldn’t be so sure of my effectiveness if I were a US Democrat supporter right now and feel like I had no basis to assert that “I’m on the good side.”
Fortunately for us there is a very clear geographic split between where most Trump supporters live vs where most of the rest of us live. Demographers can and have focused it down to the postal code level, which is just to say that it’s far more granular than simply red vs blue states.
Not really that simple, the fact that the 13% Obama-Trump voters likely secured his victory is one major complication with these typical “MAGA yokel” interpretations of who Trump’s supporters are. Also the alt-right people who supported Trump in 2016 don’t necessarily support him personally anymore but will still not be voting Democrat, mostly because he governed like a milquetoast Republican and wasn’t the anti-establishment personality they wanted. Similar to Obama actually, at the end of the day he was an American president and did what they do. The idea there are strong racial lines (as if that was a valid identifier for people anyway) is also dubious as many voters in the “hispanic” category are strong supporters of Trump, his number of black supporters isn’t insignificant either.
This also misses the point that Democrat supporters are part of the same political system by which MAGA exists in, it’s all one economic consensus that is leading to this, so everyone would be blamed for acting within this system and they would deserve it. At least in this hypothetical Nazi Germany endgame fantasy.
The media has a boner for this happening
They give it so much oxygen and also never fully call out how crazy shit is. It’s all understatement when it comes to conservatives’ behavior and plans and then they over hype any minor issue the progressives have. Looking at you, NY Times…
Don’t these media outlets understand they will be among the first to get thrown into prison camps when conservative dictatorship and revenge is in full swing?
Don’t these media outlets understand they will be among the first to get thrown into prison camps when conservative dictatorship and revenge is in full swing?
Ahahahahahahahahahahaha
“Most of the ads are not about issues. They’re sort of like the debates,” Moonves said, noting, “[t]here’s a lot of money in the marketplace.”
The 2016 campaign is a “circus,” he remarked, but “Donald’s place in this election is a good thing.” “Man, who would have expected the ride we’re all having right now? … The money’s rolling in and this is fun,” Moonves went on. "I’ve never seen anything like this, and this going to be a very good year for us. Sorry. It’s a terrible thing to say. But, bring it on, Donald. Keep going.”
- CBS CEO
They cannot look beyond the money and their narcissism tells them their money will outlast the fascistic rise they helped to foment. Same reason the billionaires are building their bunkers. They believe they can remain safe via their money
These media outlets basically created Trump’s brand, and “bOtH siDeS” absolutely because it wasn’t conservative news media clips the alt-right were gleefully consuming in 2016, it was compilations of liberal news anchors with “shocked” expressions reciting the latest Trump tweets. Can’t believe it’s still happening but we’re back to Trump outrage news cycles and online reactions to it just like 2016.
Even if the fascists go all-out against the media companies, the CEOs steering these decisions won’t care - they’ve all got millions and millions of dollars, and they’ll have enough lead time to simply hop on their luxury private jet and fly away from any looming danger.
Worth remembering when this comes up that this has been exacerbated recently by leadership changes at the times. They hired some fox fuck heads with the intent to both sides the country into a dictatorship.
Damn. CNN had a similar change relating to new leadership. If not to damage CNN and other traditional news sources, what are they even trying to accomplish? It’s not like conservatives are coming back to replace the progressive viewers who were pushed away. The result is less revenue for CNN; less revenue for NYT…
But maybe that’s the point like with Twitter. They “invest” the purchase price so they can kill the network or ruin its credibility to remove the contrast between the nonsense on Fox, OAN, etc and previously respected organizations.
Plus all the local news stations are being quietly bought by larger organizations with the same intentions if not worse.
Good faith journalism has been experiencing a hostile takeover, and it’s speeding up.
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Short-term profits vs. Long-term consequences.
Don’t these media outlets understand they will be among the first to get thrown into prison camps when conservative dictatorship and revenge is in full swing?
Ahahahahahahahahahahaha
“Most of the ads are not about issues. They’re sort of like the debates,” Moonves said, noting, “[t]here’s a lot of money in the marketplace.”
The 2016 campaign is a “circus,” he remarked, but “Donald’s place in this election is a good thing.” “Man, who would have expected the ride we’re all having right now? … The money’s rolling in and this is fun,” Moonves went on. "I’ve never seen anything like this, and this going to be a very good year for us. Sorry. It’s a terrible thing to say. But, bring it on, Donald. Keep going.”
They cannot look beyond the money and their narcissism tells them their money will outlast the fascistic rise they helped to foment. Same reason the billionaires are building their bunkers. They believe they can remain safe via their money
Sadly, billionaires seem to forget that their security will be enjoying their bunkers a lot longer than they will.
They won’t be on top during the post-apocalypse.
They’re out of things to rage about, and clicks and ad revenue probably dropped significantly since Trump’s been gone. They want Trump back in office, he was good for business.
They’d only get thrown in jail if they weren’t willing to bend over for the new regime, and they’ve already shown that they’re very willing to do that.
Some key people are very much at risk, no matter how compliant they are. Donnie diapers holds grudges, man, and so do his crazy, unhinged base of teabaggers. Some of them are still outraged that the press found out about Watergate. And Iran/Contra.
People in Big Tech that push for donnie are also at risk, too. The unhinged teabaggers think all of Big Tech is fill with commie liberals out to “censor” them.
I don’t think they realize they need to consider if they prefer clicks over a free press.
They will be some of the first victims. And they don’t even seem to know it.
More and more it’s clear that they are in it in for the clicks and not the reporting.
How is this even real?
What will it take for the “MSM” to say straight out that the man is mentally unbalanced?
The media wants a horse race because that’s how they make money. It can’t be a horse race when one of the two candidates is a deranged, babbling moron.
Sure it can. You’re watching it happen right now.
He’s riling up a pre-enraged group to outright accept him as a dictator. The water is muddied. He is talking about becoming a dictator and he has not been disqualified from office.
It’s nothing good, but I don’t think I would call it ‘unbalanced’ to set the stage for a dictatorship when your stated goal is to become a literal dictator.
and he has not been disqualified from office
He has very much been disqualified from office, but like when Obama’s pick for the supreme court was just blatantly ignored with the most thinly veiled excuses, the people in charge of executing the respective laws instead choose to bend over for the guy who has blackmailing material on them and/or promises them even more massive tax cuts, profits and power.
And if he’s somehow voted back in, he will be equally disqualified as those Justices.
…which is to say not for any practical purposes, which is exactly the problem in the first place. He should be but at this point he is not.
I doubt that they ever will.
The media reports this stuff all the time. It’s not the media’s fault that people choose to ignore the facts.
Anybody that can possibly vote for him knowing what he’s already done and what he’s planning on doing need to have their voting rights stripped away. If you’re trying plunge the US into a dictatorship, you shouldn’t be able to participate in the democratic process anymore, your opinion doesn’t count for anything, you’re guilty of supporting insurrection.
Agreed. If you support a form of government that doesn’t care about the voice of the people, you don’t deserve to have your own voice matter.
Good thing records are kept for who everyone votes for we can easily round them all up. /s let’s not stoop to their level.
The only record is that you voted and your ballot was counted. I know you’re being sarcastic but we should make sure that this is understood.
At the very least, anyone who participated in any of the plots (NM, GA, MI, PA?, federal-level) should never be allowed near the levers of power again. They may be allowed to vote agter their sentences, but they must be prevented from influencing the process ever again.
Its crazy how they think they are in despite the fact that over and over no one is protected by being his guy and often times quite the opposite. If it comes to pass they are more likely to be eating the shit that they sow than average although there will be plenty of shit to go round.
Really feels like MAGA voters themselves are a threat to America. I don’t say that lightly and am willing to be persuaded.
If it really is the case… What do we do about them? They don’t want to be educated on the issues and are immune to shame. What’s left to do?
Economic solutions are preferable to more aggressive options. Any ideas?
You’re just feeling this now…?
On Tyranny represents a pretty good guidebook for concrete specific things you can do, well informed by historical research. This interview has a slight introduction to a couple of the main recommendations and the reasons for them.
This poll 2 years ago would not show “revenge” and “dictatorship” as the top answers. We’ve had issues for a while. They’re escalating.
So yes. The escalation to our current level of battshittery is relatively new. Previous answers would have been things like border security, trade deficit, etc. – still stupid but not in the ballpark of where we are today.
Fascists are a problem, yes
I have some great ideas: improve education, reduce inequality, introduce preferential voting.
Seriously though, these problems are occuring the world over. I’m not an anthropologist but IMO the root cause is income inequality. Basically the working class are increasingly dissatisfied and the frustration manifests in very strange ways. There’s no fix for this other than societal collapse as a result of economic, environmental, or societal unrest. This part of the cycle will probably take 300 years or so, depending on the whole climate change thing.
The only way out of this political era has to come from outside this structure of politics, because the two parties in the US consent to the same economic arrangement that causes this problem. MAGA and Trump are a reaction to economic conditions that neither party is going to change, and actually rely on not changing.
Given the apparently compounding rates of long COVID in subsequent reinfections, this is a problem that will take care of itself.
Fun fact: Civil War is actually very difficult to participate in if you get winded going up a flight of stairs and have a constant mental fog.
What’s the name of the cave?
“Put them in camps before they put us in camps” is probably the tactically smart if ethically questionable answer.
The worst part is that a lot of them realize the party is shit, but “both sides” everything.
The word cloud had been published by The Daily Mail, which said it had polled 1,000 likely voters, asking them to describe in one word what President Joe Biden and Trump each want from a second term.
I believe Cheeto Mussolini should be in prison, but they asked voters what they think that Biden/Trump would want from another term.
For completeness sake and to save anyone else from visiting The Daily Mail.
It’s meant to be negative but seems pretty chill to me.
Honestly, after having Trump in office for 4 years, Biden’s milquetoast term has been refreshing. It’s nice to wake up every morning and not have to read about the president of the United States beefing with a 12 year old girl on Twitter overnight for the third time in a month.
Biden is boring. But I’m tired of living through what will inevitably be several chapters in future World History textbooks; I could use some more “boring” in politics, because “boring” is stable and predictable.
First president to ever join the picket lines, telling pharmaceutical companies the gov will snatch their taxpayer funded patents away if they keep gouging, big steps toward cannabis, major efforts to forgive student loans, lowest inflation rate in the g7, lowest unemployment rate in a very long time, personally involved in getting ceasefires and the like in Gaza, etc etc
milquetoast
boring
I’m no Biden cheerleader but you’re being quite reductive
While I agree, the general perception is that Biden is boring. He (and democrats in general) is really really bad at championing his own successes. Biden has accomplished a lot, but he has done it without fanfare or news coverage.
Meanwhile, Trump couldn’t even fart without the media turning it into front page news. Because the media quickly realized that Trump headlines sell views, but Biden headlines don’t. So Biden doesn’t get the same kind of 24/7 media barrage that Trump got. And that makes Biden seem hilariously boring in comparison. When you aren’t constantly waking up to news of how the president almost started a major international scandal due to a tweet he sent at 3AM, things seem pretty chill.
Yup. Trump’s been blithely called America’s “reality TV president” but it’s nonetheless true. Right-wing voters want to be entertained far more than they want effective government.
Because to them, Trump’s failure to govern is also the point, so it’s doubly positive - someone entertaining swinging a sledgehammer to all of those “liberal” safety nets, institutions. They’d prefer government simply cease to exist. (Until at least it’s their house that’s burning down and needs the fire department; or their roads that are falling apart.)
For completeness sake and to save anyone else from visiting The Daily Mail.
Trump’s version for comparison.
LOL, “economy”. As if dipshit donnie diapers has any good policies for the economy. Oh, and “freedom”…wtaf. That doesn’t mean the Northern kind.
some people say violence is never the answer. those people are the first to be rounded up.
me. me.
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Didn’t the Palestinians try diplomacy for decades?
Yes. WHILE being robbed and killed. Shocking that the people willing and capable of doing that weren’t listening to diplomacy.
AFAIK it was always diplomacy mixed with a lot of violence. The situation there is a clusterfuck. Always have been.
There’s two groups. The Palestinians and Hamas. Because Israel treats them as one, it’s always going to be a mess.
Right, there is a fairly large body of philosophy which asks the question “when is violence justified?” and a big part of that is “don’t throw away lives recklessly for no purpose.” It doesn’t matter how “right” Hamas is, there is no realistic path by which violence can possibly achieve their goal of liberation. Their view of the world is warped by their religious views which hold that a god will intervene on their behalf if they martyr themselves piously. This is quite simply delusional and colors their role in justice seeking in a way many people refuse to acknowledge.
There is a simple path to ending this conflict, but it routes through a form of secularism which is not currently possible.
It also has mucho Biden which literally translates into “a lot Biden” so he’s an idiot just like the people taking the poll. They likely thought it was “macho” Biden which makes both even more idiotic.
Revenge for what exactly? What have liberals actually done to Trump supporters besides vote against him?
They tried to prosecute him. In MAGA world, that demands an escalation in kind to attack (“defend”) against the prosecution; the truth or falsehood of the accusation doesn’t matter. They also think Biden stole the election, although as before, they don’t really care in an objective sense whether that’s actually factually true. They believe it wholeheartedly and that’s all they care about.
There’s also a fiction that “they” are trying to put kitty litter in your classrooms and tell your kids to pretend to be cats and pee in the litterbox, or allow transgender people into women’s bathrooms because someone “became transgender” for that exact purpose, or other weird and outlandish things, but I don’t think those are really getting traction as much as they’d like them to. I think it’s mainly a standard sociopath pattern of “I did an illegal thing” -> “You’re reacting as if it’s illegal” -> “My god how could you make that wild accusation and be an enemy to me” -> “I attack you”.
Revenge for the impeachments and the various investigations and prosecutions. Also revenge against anyone in his administration who has spoken out against him. So people like Liz Cheney. Adam Kinzinger, Jack Smith, Merritt Garland, Biden and his son, Bill Barr, John Kelly, Mark Milley, any prominent figure who has publicly insulted him. The smart money is that a long list already exists.
Won’t lie, some dark part of me wants to see this happen just to see what happens.
When Trump got elected in 2016 I thought, “Okay, now that we’ve done this everyone will see what a farce it is and never let it happen again.”
But that didn’t happen. It got worse. These kinds of people got their inch and now they’re in it for the mile. This is a “keeps getting worse” scenario unless we kneecap it now.
Same. I remember waking into my local bodega in 2016 and seeing that buffoon’s face next to giant type screaming “HE WON!! WOW!!”… First I was like, well he’s also lived in NYC, I know he hired undocumented people for some projects. He can’t get as crazy as his campaign… Right?
Then NYC had to stop ICE from posting up near our courthouses and police stations, trying to prey on people actively working with the legal system for help or to voluntarily answer for crime or mistakes.
"These jurisdictions have caused immeasurable harm to the American people and to the very fabric of our Republic.” he said, and tried to withhold federal funds from our cities.
We all shrugged at his impotent executive order, both because of how much money and self sufficiency we all provide each other. But he was always banging on our door, to steal neighbors and friends out of our communities, whether they had federal permission to be here or not.
Are we lawless for disregarding the law a bit? Maybe. But are we human-centric for giving people the chance to do right, to live and contribute to the American dream?
You decide, both I and my old city already have.
I too love some good chaos but this shit isn’t that. This is more like pointing a loaded pistol at your face and wondering what will happen if you pull the trigger. This chucklefuck will destroy everything because he’s too stupid and narcissistic to know that he’s likely destroying the very thing that provides him the thing he wants most, power, money, and respect.
So you’re what, three years old now?
Stfu with that shit…
The I told ya so’s would be epic though. 🤐
I would prefer to catch fictional movie adaptation thank you very much. I like boring. boring is good.
