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      Keep in mind both of the user captured in the screenshot are paying X/Twitter users

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        Are you guys aware that trump was already president once and we remember what happened?

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          I don’t think Trump thought he would win, so he was unprepared, and he had some of the most incompetent people possible around him. He and the people around him will be prepared this time. A plan has already been drafted (Project 2025) by, presumably, intelligent people at right-wing think-tanks. Also, his rhetoric has changed, becoming similar to other historical and current dictators, and his “policies” have become more fascist (e.g. rounding up 11 million people in the U.S. for detention and forcible relocation).

          Furthermore, while he was president, he did do some pretty dictator-like things. He had federal officers in unmarked vans abduct protestors with bags over their heads. He had the US Marshals assassinate Michael Reinoehl. He tried to get election results changed. And he tried a coup.

          I think his, and his future administration’s goal will be to establish a one-party-rule, similar to Russia’s, with a more christofascist flavor. His and his family’s personal goals will be to enrich themselves by selling-out the state, and the christofascist stuff just provides them with the coalition they need to do so.

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            He had federal officers in unmarked vans abduct protestors with bags over their heads. He had the US Marshals assassinate Michael Reinoehl.

            Is there evidence of this? And I mean actual evidence. Photos, videos, similar statements from unconnected sources?

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              https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/10/us/michael-reinoehl-killing-investigation.html

              Evidence is light, inconclusive, but there. Which isn’t unsurprising, given the “blue wall of silence.” I’m going to lean on trusting protestors and reputable news orgs and journalists over the government and criminal justice system. Just like I don’t think politicians in Russia just have bad luck with windows or coming into contact with poisonous substances.

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                This is as I suspected.

                1. there is no longer such as thing as “reputable news org”. For most online media, their sole revenue source are ads. Sensationalized articles generate more traffic. At best, you could say one org is better than the next, but that’s not saying much.

                2. this article provides no photo, video, or audio recordings to corroborate anything they’ve stated. Not even the interviews have an audio recording.

                3. there is nothing in that article about Trump instructing anyone to abduct protestors in unmarked vans.

                4. there is nothing in this article about Trump ordering US Marshals to assissinate anyone.

                It frightens me how much of your own bias colors your judgement. You have drawn wild “conclusions” (for a lack of a better term) based on something that is barely consider evidence (evidence maybe, certainly not proof).

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                  Meh. Absolute proof only exists in mathematics. You have to make inferences at some point. To me, my “conclusions” seem obvious. If it walks and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck. If the evidence of Trump’s character was only just one data point, I would just give them the benefit of the doubt. But, his campaign is promoting Nazi propaganda. He says he’ll be a dictator on day one. The heritage foundation says a second U.S. revolution is coming, which will be bloodless, if the “left” doesn’t fight back. There’s just so much evidence of Trump’s character, and the far-right’s stated plans, the “conclusion” os inescapable. Anyone who says otherwise is just putting on blinders or being willfully ignorant, IMO.

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            Do you understand how this is propaganda lines? They want you scared so you vote how they want. I would tell you how Biden is much much worse, but you have been indoctrinated.

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          What happened was an attempted coup, where a mob of people was only two barricaded doors away from murdering most of congress.

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          His failed plot to overturn the legitimate election by submitting a fake slate of electors? Yes, we remember.

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                  …by submitting a fake slate of electors. I feel like this is not that complex of a concept to grasp, but I’ll simplify it for your FOX News-addled mush brain:

                  Imagine a scenario in which 10 people eating at a restaurant all want to decide what to have for dessert. After some discussion, they’ve narrowed the choices down to Key Lime Pie or Cheesecake. The kitchen will only make one dessert for the table, so the table has to pick one or the other, they can’t have both. Naturally, the table takes a vote to see which dessert a majority of people will be satisfied with. 6 people vote for Key Lime Pie, and 4 people vote for Cheesecake. Key Lime Pie wins. So the table sends one of their group to go and take the order to the kitchen, making it official. But along the way, one of the Cheesecake guys decides that they don’t give a shit if most of the people at the table wanted something different and they intercept the guy delivering the order. They tell that person that a few people at the table changed their minds and now Cheesecake actually won so they should tell the chef to make that instead. Of course, the people at the table did not change their minds, this was a lie meant to trick the person delivering the order into doing what they wanted rather than what the majority demanded.

                  Given that scenario, don’t you think it’s unfair that the people who voted for Key Lime Pie would have been deprived of the dessert that they actually wanted and most people agreed on had the person who submitted the fake order actually succeeded?

                  Same thing here. Trump was the government, so there was nothing to overthrow. He overturned the election to remain in power past his mandate. Hence why I’m wondering why you’re talking about needing fighter jets to overthrow a government because that’s not what we’re talking about, nor is violent revolution always a prerequisite for a coup d’état.

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      I mean in terms of what he’s actually achieved he probably the best president we’ve had in my lifetime, and considering his lack of control in the houses, that’s pretty big.

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      Joe Biden is either the singularly greatest president to have ever lived and our only hope for the future or the worst president in history, a total disaster, possibly the entire reason everything bad has ever happened.

      I haven’t decided who I’m voting for yet, so I can’t tell which.

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    So HR left us with just two choices, assured us they were the best of the best, and of course it’s two geriatrics.

    … one of whom is a rehire that tried to lynch us when we laid him off the first time. Good job HR, you wonder why people hate you.

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    *someone who you’d already fired and then tried to blow up the building reapplied…

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        Good idea, let’s trick half of the Trump voters into voting for him instead so Biden has an easy win

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        There a multiple people running, the only third party candidate that is actually on the ballot in all 50 states (RFK is not on all 50 states ballots) Chase Oliver gets no airtime, the msm rather talk to you about brain worms then a practical candidate.

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          Yeah but Chase wants to completely get rid of all tariffs, so, I mean, some of his policies aren’t the greatest. He’s also got absolutely no idea how healthcare works, wants to completely abandon all our military bases, and he doesn’t even mention global warming in his policies.

          Guns? Great. Drugs? Great. Crime and punishment? Great. Privacy? Great.

          But most of his power and economics policies would completely dog-fuck the US economy and our ability to negotiate on the international stage.

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            Chase wants to completely get rid of all tariffs, so, I mean, some of his policies aren’t the greatest

            He makes a compelling argument against tariffs as public policy. But he’s still a business-first libertarian, which means his views on environmental regulation and labor rights and various federal public services also suck.

            Guns? Great. Drugs? Great. Crime and punishment? Great.

            Eh. I wish his immigration policy was as laisse-faire as his guns and drugs policy.

            But most of his power and economics policies would completely dog-fuck the US economy

            Our economy was dog-fucked ages ago, when we deindustrialized the midwest and plowed endless subsidies into FIRE and Tech sectors. Now we’ve got a bunch of computers churning out trillion dollar digital nothings, while investment cash flows like a waterfall into finance, insurance, and real estate, but our actual industrial capacity remains in a vestigial state.

            We can’t even make enough new silicon chips to feed our antiquated ICE engine automotive industry.

            I don’t think Oliver really has a path out of that mess, but its hardly his fault we got here.

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              I mean, yeah, I agree on pretty much all counts. But, you know, typically you renovate a shitty house instead of punching holes in the walls.

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              I prefer the term rat-fucked. Because one small group came in and took all the best parts of the Economy, leaving everyone else with powdered eggs and ham loaf. Not to mention the extra constipation causing cheese product.

              At least when dog-fucking occurs, cute puppies come out. After a good rat-fucking, all you get is weird diseases and shame.

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            So a less then perfect candidate is worse than Trump or Biden? I just want to understand why so many write him off while hating the situation writing him off gives us.

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              Oh, no, if I would vote for more than one person, I’d probably vote for him, Biden, and whoever happens to be the green party candidate (hello Approval Voting). But as it stands right now, I can only pick one, and Biden offers the fewest compromises in the least damaging areas, in my opinion. Well, maybe whoever is leading the Greens, but my state is somewhat competitive so I’m forced to be strategic and pick between the two front-runners.

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                Green is running Stein again, I thought? Except she’s gone pretty much towards the same extreme isolationism as Oliver and RFK.

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    What a perfect analogy, now let’s talk about why your company only opened up the application process to two ancient terrible people.

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        Plus one of the former applicants was accused of both communism and antisemitism, the latter just due to not being 1000% pro-Israel and despite being Jewish himself. One another had “bad vibes”, people called her a “warhawk”, and called the former guy’s fans misogynist bros.

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          Can you imagine having to put up with Bernie bros for 4 years? We really dodged a bullet there, guys!

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            I remember that time…

            The propaganda was so strong some liberal black content creators called “socialists” as “having anti-black and misogynistic biases” because we could just fix capitalism to be not bigoted. Fortunately, they got better on this front.

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              Lots of people in the US have anti-black and misogynistic biases. Some of them happen to be socialists.

              This is, in fact, a problem I have with some socialists. They think that solving economic issues will solve everything. You can’t have people being shot dead in the streets by police and then tell them “Yes, I realize this is very concerning for you, but we need to really focus on the economy”.

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                Many of those economic issues are a source for other problems. Resolving them may not solve the other problems, but those other problems also can’t be solved without dealing with one of the major causes first.

                It’s like having a house with a giant crack in the wall, and some people want to fix the foundation while some want to fix the crack. Fixing the foundation isn’t going to fix the crack, but if you fix the crack without fixing the foundation, it’s just going to break open again.

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      Because the democracy is a farce. The parties control their primary elections and can rig them however they want. The US legalized bribery with Citizens United and again last week with Snyder v. United States.

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      There surely are more candidates that would do none of that shady business and are younger.

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      National political organizations. Didja ever run one? Man it’s like the worst chat server in the world, but with way too many meetups.

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    This whole crushing it narrative… Are we going to pretend like all working Americans aren’t struggling?

    Like sure Biden as corpse is better than Trump but he’s not more likeable and he isn’t doing a good job.

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      • $35 cap on Insulin
      • Student loan cancellations
      • Restoring net neutrality
      • Banning non-compete agreements
      • Pardoned people convicted for simple marijuana possession convictions
      • Funding important infrastructure projects
      • Banning abusive and junky bank fees
      • Going after landlords who are price fixing
      • Minimum 15% tax on corporations, who otherwise use every trick in the book to hide their profits in tax shelters overseas
      • Rejoined the Paris Accord
      • Antitrust actions against Amazon, Google, Apple, various airlines, book publishers, even meat packers
      • Blocking mergers that would reduce competition, like Krogers acquiring Albertsons
      • Reducing fees real estate agents collect for home sales
      • Requiring airlines to refund passengers for delayed or canceled flights
      • Automatically recognizing a union when a corporation interferes with a union vote
      • Massive climate wins in the Inflation Reduction act
      • Giving IRS funding so it can go after the rich tax cheats, instead of just the poor people who make small errors
      • Allowing Medicare to actually negotiate drug prices, instead of being forced to accept whatever the drug companies decide

      And, this is despite a senate where Sinema and Manchin supposely give democrats a razor slim majority, but in reality they block almost everything. And, despite a congress that is currently republican controlled and block even the things their constituents want because they don’t want to let Biden have a win.

      In what way (other than Gaza) is he not doing a good job?

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        Student loans have not been canceled

        Non-Competes are still in effect

        We still have the world’s highest prison population.

        Landlords are still price fixing and rent is still out of control

        Amazon, Google and apple nor any other large companies have been broken up with antitrust

        Despite giving the IRS funding, the rich are still not paying taxes

        Allowing Medicare to negotiate was pretty great. I’ll give you that.

        “In what way (other than Gaza) is he not doing a good job?”

        I don’t know if you’ve been to America or met most Americans, but most of us are really struggling. There’s a housing crisis. Most people can’t afford to live on their own. There’s a ton of food insecurity. Education is abysmal. I mean the whole thing’s just fucked. This pretending things are really good right now and gaslighting Americans and trying to shame them into voting for Biden is part of the problem by the way.

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          And the reason for all of that is the GOP blocking or sabotaging every single effort to improve things, and then blaming the Dems, and it convinced a LOT of people.

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            That’s partially true. But some of the time it was just the Dems holding it up like manchin or Cinema. Also Biden’l has also not put things forward that he said he would. Like when he had the majority in the Senate in the house he did not try to pack the court. The negative things we’ve seen in the last 4 years are from the supreme Court that Biden never tried to pack despite claiming he would.

            I hate the Republicans just as much as you do, maybe more honestly. All I’m saying is the Dems suck too. They’re basically trying to hand this election the Trump like they did in 2016.

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              Oh 100%

              Manchin and Cinema are Dem in name only, their actions are GOP at every turn.

              Don’t forget, 3 of the 5 SCOTUS were appointed by Trump, so everything happening with them now is from that and Biden doesn’t have power to stop that.

              And either way, both Dem and GOP are Right Wing parties and their goals are more or less to maintain the status quo, benefit corporations and elites, keep power, etc.

              Neither party has interests or incentives to truly progress things that benefit people, except in maybe a scrap or two to get votes.

              We don’t really have a government by the people and FOR the people right now. If we did we would have Ranked Choice Voting, no more Electoral College BS, no more Gerrymandering, Voting Day would be a federal holiday, mail in ballots would be universal and accepted, etc etc etc.

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                Friendly stranger. I do not know what we disagree on.

                The only thing I can see is I think Biden should have done more to pack the court and for not doing that. He is now partially responsible for the things we were seeing come from them. I’ve seen people arguing that doing so when he had that slim majority in the Senate wouldn’t have been effective and been political suicide but I disagree. I think a lot more people would be willing to vote for him if he had done it. I would be much more enthused about this candidate if you had done it. I believe the real reason he didn’t is because he didn’t want to. I don’t believe there is a way for us to prove this one way or the other. I respect your opinion. I just disagree with it.

                I believe we want the same things. My original comment was only to point out that a lot of people are acting like Biden is doing all the things we want and is actually good instead of just a less right-wing candidate. I just want more straightforward and honest communication around this.

                My original comment is just saying I do not like this false narrative that Biden is killing it when he is really not doing much good and continuing a lot of evil. Totally agree, he’s better than Trump and I think that should just be the end of our messaging. We’re honestly the Democratic party needs to find a way to make someone else the nominee. I don’t think if we stay coarse the Dems win.

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          Student loans have not been canceled

          Some have.

          Non-Competes are still in effect

          https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/04/ftc-announces-rule-banning-noncompetes

          Landlords are still price fixing and rent is still out of control

          The problem is being worked on, the solution wasn’t instantaneous.

          Amazon, Google and apple nor any other large companies have been broken up with antitrust

          Not yet, these things take time. The final antitrust case against AT&T lasted 8 years, and it was only one of many. The antitrust case against IBM lasted almost 13 years.

          Despite giving the IRS funding, the rich are still not paying taxes

          Again, these things take time.

          I don’t know if you’ve been to America or met most Americans, but most of us are really struggling.

          So… something that has been happening since at least the Reagan years wasn’t turned around in 4, so Biden’s doing a bad job?

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            Most student loans have not been canceled claiming that student loans have been canceled. It’s just ingenuous and again it’s the whole fake Biden is killing it narrative. Be honest.

            Non-Competes are still in effect that ruling does not go into effect until September at the earliest and it is subject to many Court challenges before it will probably not happen. Regardless, it has not happened yet.

            You say the problem is being worked on in these things take time for multiple things. In other words, Biden has not done anything on these fronts. You cannot give Biden credit for something that he has not done lol.

            This is what I mean. Biden is milk toast at best. He’s really just slowing our rate of decline more than he is actually doing a good job. The insistence that he is killing it or doing a good job when he is not and people are suffering is a bad strategy politically.

            This giant list of things that turns out to be bs is the kind of thing making people more disillusioned. Stuff like this lowers voter turnout. Democrats lose when voter turnout is low. Do you see where this gets bad?

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              You say the problem is being worked on in these things take time for multiple things. In other words, Biden has not done anything on these fronts

              What an idiotic thing to say.

              Biden is milk toast at best

              You should look up that expression because you’re misusing it.

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                I don’t think it’s an idiotic thing to say. I think you’re an idiot for dismissing it without reason.

                I’m not going to waste my time with you

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                  If you don’t think it’s an idiotic thing to say, you’re an idiot.

                  “If something extremely complex and time consuming isn’t already 100% done to my satisfaction, nothing has been done.”

                  Do you know that some things take time? Do you know that progress isn’t instantaneous? What are you, a literal baby who has no concept of the passage of time?

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        He didn’t fix every problem ever and hasn’t accomplished world peace, therefore he’s just as bad as Trump!!

        These anti Biden morons on lemmy are really getting tiresome.

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          Not to mention that MOST of the problems they are bitching at Biden for not fixing were caused by them in the first place and then they blocked Biden from any efforts to fix it.

          They set the fire, slash the firetruck’s tires and then have the audacity to blame the firefighters for not putting it out.

          I don’t love Biden, but damn, he is trying to do some good things and being blocked at every turn.

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          These anti Biden morons on lemmy are really getting tiresome.

          This is what a winning attitude looks like :)

          This is why centrists and liberals are so much more bigbrained and wise about political strategy than progressives, at the end of the day yall just know how to win elections. Scold people for not wanting to vote for your candidate, genius!

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            Then they’re going to blame us instead of taking responsibility when Trump wins. It’s honestly infuriating.

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        In what way (other than Gaza) is he not doing a good job?

        Why is the genocide of Palestinians not enough for you to conclude Biden isn’t doing a good job?

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          Because:

          1. That’s something Israel is doing, not something the US is doing. As usual, the US is helping / shielding Israel, and that’s a problem, but that’s not the same as being directly responsible for it.
          2. If Trump were in charge, it would only be worse. He’d be encouraging Israel to nuke Gaza.
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            That’s something Israel is doing, not something the US is doing. As usual, the US is helping / shielding Israel, and that’s a problem, but that’s not the same as being directly responsible for

            Those are US jets dropping US made bombs with pilots who have likely EXTENSIVELY trained with US military pilots, literally the ENTIRE military apparatus of Israel is an extension of the U.S. military industrial complex and that isn’t an exaggeration. The IDF has trained extensively and has deep ties with US police departments, surveillance and military software and hardware technology ties run deep between US and Israeli companies that basically serve as the field testing arm of the rest of the bulk of the western/US military industrial complex.

            It is bullshit Biden can’t do more, because not only is the above true (which really puts Israel in a position where at the end of the day the US calls the shots), Israel now more than ever is existentially reliant upon the US to provide them support materially and diplomatically for them to continue to perpetuate this genocide.

            Stop wasting all of our time with lazy rhetorical delaying tactics like this, if Biden wanted to he could call up Netanyahu and end the genocide almost immediately, Biden would just have to not be a coward who actually kind of wants all these Palestinians to die anyways so shrugs.

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              Those are Israeli jets dropping Israeli bombs being piloted by Israeli pilots. When you sell someone something it becomes theirs, they are free to use it as they see fit, especially in the case of another country with its own military following its own laws.

              The US definitely shouldn’t have been selling Israel weapons for decades, let alone giving Israel money it can use to buy weapons (although it’s more of a gift to US defense contractors than it is a gift to Israel). But, once the weapons are in Israel’s hands, they’re Israel’s weapons.

              Of course Biden could do more, but he’s part of a political class that deeply believes in helping Israel. Mitt Romney would have been the same, same with Hillary Clinton and her husband, same with Obama, same with both Bushes, junior and senior. Trump isn’t part of that political class… but his stance would be “nuke Palestine” and/or “what’s in it for me, personally?”

              if Biden wanted to he could call up Netanyahu and end the genocide almost immediately

              He could call him up and tell him the US was cutting off support, but that wouldn’t end it immediately. It would also be a major cost to him politically, because a lot of democratic donors are rich jews who believe in the Zionist project. But, he’s probably not even making that kind of a political calculation, he’s probably just doing it because he strongly believes in helping Israel.

              It sucks, but there are 2 dominant political parties in the US, and one wants to help Israel because it thinks Israel is the only real democracy in the middle east, so no matter what it does, it’s not as bad as the nearby arab states. The other party thinks that the rapture is about to happen and that there needs to be a holy war in the middle east before all the non-evangelicals get wiped out and Jesus comes back to take the righteous to heaven – oh, and it’s a good place to sell weapons and generate big profits.

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                Those are Israeli jets dropping Israeli bombs being piloted by Israeli pilots. When you sell someone something it becomes theirs, they are free to use it as they see fit, especially in the case of another country with its own military following its own laws.

                If you think this is how the actual world works you are incredibly misguided.

                Israel knows having a cushy relationship with the US military industrial complex is literally existential to its existence, like Americans with healthcare, Israel cannot bargain, it is not in a place to bargain, since the thing being bargained for is existentially needed by one of the bargaining parties (Israel) whereas the other party is indifferent (US) in terms of material interest.

                Israel has zero power here to stop Biden from calling Netanyahu on the phone and laying out these existential terms in a framing that Netanyahu would have no choice but to buckle and respond to. The US is a river of arms and money, Israel is just floating down it.

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                  If you think this is how the actual world works you are incredibly misguided.

                  If you think this isn’t how the world works, here’s an example: Israel.

                  Israel knows having a cushy relationship with the US military industrial complex is literally existential to its existence

                  It may once have been, but now the free weapons from the US are just a nice to have thing, rather than a necessity. Israel is relatively rich and doesn’t need the free stuff from the US anymore. But, it’s certainly nice to have.

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      Are we going to pretend that working Americans haven’t been struggling since mid 1980 at the very least.

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        I’m not and it’s only gotten worse. Republicans and Democrats have both made it that way. I’ll admit the Republicans are worse, but the Democrats haven’t helped either.

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            Because of Trump but under Biden abortion rights have gotten stripped for millions. Mass American poverty and the housing crisis only continued to escalate under biden. Biden has continued many of Trump’s border policies and even looks to make that situation worse. Under his presidency we have also enabled a genocide in Palestine. I could go on but do I need to?

            I want to be clear. Trump is worse than Biden. Biden has not made things better overall. He has only slowed the rate at which things are getting worse. Do you think I’m wrong?

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              Sure not something that Biden can change without packing the court which he also can’t do by himself.

              Both are reduced under biden, no thanks to trump. He continued then and actually escalated them, the border is more secure today than at any time in human history which is an issue sure. What enabled Israel is moving the embassy to Jerusalem cementing American policy for the foreseeable future. You could find an actual issue that Biden caused but that’s just me.

              I agree, but implying things were better with Trump in office is next level crazy shit to say.

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                Just going to focus on the first part cuz I don’t think we’re going to really progress on the other parts and we seem to have an understanding.

                Buden didn’t even try to pack the court. The Dems had the Senate and the house and the presidency in 2021. I don’t remember Biden even trying to pack the supreme Court. It’d be one thing if he tried and the Senate wouldn’t give him the vote of a simple majority for his candidates. Then we could say Biden’s cool but some Dems suck. But he didn’t even try. Why are we pretending like he would have?

                Edit: also sorry if I come off like an asshole I don’t mean to. Also hell yeah 420 dude 👈😎 I’m lighting up now myself

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                  I know this, it would have been shooting himself in the foot politically. He might do it if he loses before he leaves office where it can’t effect his presidency directly. Smart? Sure, smarmy absolutely.

                  There are things that are possible and things that are probable, in politics the overlaps are rare and slight.

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      It takes seconds to shatter a vase, and hours to glue it back together. That’s the difference.

      As an outsider watching US Politics in abject horror - this pervasive both-sides-bad arguement is utter bullshit.

      Hillary Clinton was an imperfect candidate, but she would not have appointed three bat-shit crazy judges to the Supreme Court who would the. Go onto gutting almost a century’s worth of civil and environmental rights.

      Complaining that Dems aren’t doing enough is media spin, owned and paid for by Billionaires and the corporations they control. A lot of good work gets done that you don’t hear about, because if you did - you’d actually be incentivised to vote for Dems, and the 0.1%’ simply can’t have that.

      This upcoming election is without hyperbole the most important since the US’s founding - this is your Fall of Rome moment. Trump needs to be defeated in order for your nation to continue to exist in any manner that you could continue to recognise. The very ideals of the Constitution- life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - are at stake.

      So make sure you get out and vote, as this could very well be your last opportunity to do so while it still matters.

      And if you manage to do the right thing - get involved with politics on your local level, and participate in the primaries. Help pick the candidates that should run, who share your agenda - but when it comes to the general elections, vote against those who share none of your values.

      There’s a saying that Democrats need to fall in love with a candidate, while Republicans fall in line. You need to fight them on their terms, the high moral ground is built on sandy foundations and your opponent is armed with shovels and an intent on seeing you destroyed.

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        Just a note, from one political activist to another: saying “this election is the most important election in history EVERY SINGLE TIME” just gets people exhausted, and make them develop a disbelief in your words. People could not have lived through several “the most importan election in history” in a row.

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          Think of it as a “terrorists on a plane” analogy. You need to prevail each and every time in order to keep everyone safe, the terrorists only need to get lucky once.

          The classic Republican-flavour of conservatism is dying out in the US amongst the younger generations, which means that the GOP is like a wounded, cornered animal: now is when they are the most dangerous and likely to lash out violently.

          …and as luck would have it; the last three US presidential elections have been QUITE important. Again, Trump 45 seated THREE Supreme Court judges! Literally one third replaced by someone who NEVER held the support of the majority of the nation.

          Biden 46 managed to curtail 45’s corruption, and begin to undo some of the structural damage inflicted onto the nation. The GOP choosing to re-run the same loser candidate for the third election in a row is what makes it yet another “MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION” in a series of them.

          I come from a nation with mandatory voting, even for us every vote is the most important election so far - as it determines the path our nation will take over the coming years and what challenges we should prioritise. I can barely comprehend how almost half of the population of the worlds most powerful nation can’t be bothered to participate in a core principle of democracy that will directly impact the quality of their lives, and the lives of their loved ones.

          Hard work is exhausting, but ensuring a better world for our children’s generation and beyond should be reward enough.

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            The classic Republican-flavour of conservatism is dying out in the US amongst the younger generations, which means that the GOP is like a wounded, cornered animal: now is when they are the most dangerous and likely to lash out violently.

            No, unfortunately conservatism is really quite seriously NOT dying off among younger people, it is rather building momentum. Fortunately progressive leftism is building momentum even faster in the minds of younger people.

            What is dying off is “both sides” centrism that builds a worldview like an excel averaging algorithm over a column of cells, bereft of values, ideology, bold visions or really even anything of substance to fight for really. Can’t happen fast enough if you ask me.

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        Trump needs to be defeated in order for your nation to continue to exist in any manner that you could continue to recognise

        He needs to be imprisoned, not just defeated. The fact that he’s running again and not sitting in a prison cell is a colossal failure of our legal system. If we can’t even hold someone accountable for trying to overthrow our government, then idk that we even have a government worth saving. Our country is already lost.

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      I mean, arguably, the president has little to no control over these things. It’s primarily congress and they have been the least productive congress in a long long time.

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      I’m not rich, but I’m doing alright. I get by. Was laid off but found a job 2 weeks later.

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    You probably wouldn’t hire a convicted felon either, but here we are.

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    But when hiring for a job, you don’t only have two choices you have an entire pool of candidates which you can vett.

    This is like your recruiter telling you that they narrowed down all the candidates for you, you have no say in that process and you can pick between the two worst candidates.

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      More like “here, you can keep your current guy who should have retired 20 years ago, or you can hire this ex employee who set fire to the lobby last time he was here”.

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    What’s the context for “were crushing it”?

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      Most progressive president in the history of the country, record low unemployment, capping the price of insulin

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        “Most progressive” is a very low bar to clear given the presidents we’ve had. Unemployment is not controlled by the president. The credit for capping insulin prices should go to Bernie Sanders, who would’ve been the president starting back in 2016 if the democratic party hadn’t insisted on crowning Hillary. We could’ve had a much better president and no Trump!

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      The funny thing is that Americans do want socialism, they just don’t want the word socialism as they’ve been told their entire lives that’s the enemy

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      Americans don’t want socialism in the slightest lmao. Marxists are genuinely some of the dumbest people around

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        Oh yeah? Go ask some elderly folks if they want their Medicare and Social Security to go away. I asked that to some aging folks and the look of shock on their faces left an impression I’ll never forget.

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          Social welfare isn’t socialism… If you’re the type of person who thinks Bernie Sanders is socialist or that Sweden is an example of socialism, then you don’t know what socialism is.

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        True. But it’s kind of like saying my new lawn mower is better at cutting the grass than my grass seeder ever was.

        Is that the bar we need to set? Cause i hate that.

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          I think most of us are above that but we need to cater to the least common denominator. Some of them still don’t see it. I was in FL last week and it’s crazy. So much trump stuff all over and they love him and think everything he does is great. My mind was blown. I live in Atlanta and almost no one I talk to here would consider trump again even the original trumpets I knew.

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            Im not sure i understand what you are saying. Either that or you didn’t get my analogy.

            Im saying that it’s easy to be better at being president than trump when trump spent his whole term being such a bad president that he just made everything worse.

            Im not saying that i think biden is good for the job. Someone else needs to do it.

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        Let’s keep that bar low! Words have meaning, at least they used to. Remember when they did? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

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    “were crushing it” as I’m crushing thousands of Palestinians under rubble made by US bombs that he gleefully supplied to a warmongering fascist?