seriously. it’s not that big a deal. if people in gaza are still standing up to their oppressors every day then you likely have zero excuse for not doing more IRL shit (political reading and writing at home are good, but don’t mean anything if you’re not applying that theory as practice and then assessing the results and adjusting your practice accordingly).

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    So I’m not saying that encouraging people to go outside is bad by any means, but I think finding out why people can’t or don’t want to go outside is something we could probably do better at as a community. I don’t think saying “it’s not that big a deal” is nearly as useful as having a good discussion/plan on how to overcome those issues that keep people stuck inside.

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      I literally did this and the answers for people are depression, the sheer suppression that the US specifically does to orgs, burnout caused by school and work, Covid, and overworking. Telling people to go organize seems… well it’s good, but until we start posting resources that can help with one or all of those issues, very few people will actually do it

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    For what it’s worth, I think an org should also have other activities. That means like a bowling night or something. Or a movie night, dinner night, or going out to a bar night. And, this might ruffle some feathers, it should also be a place where you can meet someone for dating, a fling, etc. That’s how most people meet each other, through a shared activity (like school, a club, church, etc.). Democrats and Republicans meet each other in shared spaces like that all the time, but for some reason it’s like the ultimate taboo to talk about it in leftist circles. But why? Just cuz some peeps here and there developed sex cult personalities? How many comrades of the past met each other through the Soviet Party or the Communist Party of China or in Cuba or Vietnam? Probably millions.

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      The Chilean socialist movement that brought Allende to power worked because they had Party offices in the community where members of the community could go and socialize as well as learn! There are lots of stories of people who met their first dates at the party community centers, and so the social pressure forced people to become more based to fit in.

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      it’s the sex pest problem, unfortunately. a lot of the women I know in local organizing circles - including myself - have been SAed by other organizers (usually dudes). I don’t personally have a problem with dating in organizing circles but I know others do.

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      dating within an org is only a problem when more influential members date less influential members, the representative of a local chapter probably shouldn’t start dating one of their members, it creates an imbalance of power, this isn’t limited to socialist orgs though, it applies to any organisational structure.

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        I think this, and also your org needs to be large enough that it isn’t dominated by a couple of de factor power players (it’s easier to police official positions with power than someone with a lot of social clout). Otherwise any drama just kinda nukes the org.

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          Yeah, small orgs need to have a very strict barrier for entry, to avoid wreckers and drama, but also need to avoid having a small group form the “core” of the org and decide everything through seniority. I will freely admit I’m not skilled enough at people management to organise an org from scratch like this.

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      I have a long comment history of ripping into Evangelical Christianity. Sometimes I feel like I rail against it more than anyone on this site. I have a million issues with American Christianity that still get me angry when I think about them even though I left the religion almost a decade ago.

      BUT… when I think about the time I spent with various young adult church groups or Bible studies, I still have a lot of fond memories. Or even going further back to when I was a kid, my small little church had a pretty healthy social life that I do think made a positive impact in my life. Churches understand that and they’re pretty good at it. All that social stuff you mentioned really does matter. We are so alienated and disconnected from each other. To be able to offer a salve for that I think will help draw people to the org as well as help meet those social needs we all have.

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      How many comrades of the past met each other through the Soviet Party or the Communist Party of China or in Cuba or Vietnam? Probably millions.

      I would not be so sure. From what I have read party members in the Indochinese/Vietnamese Communist Party explicitly described themselves as having a sibling-like relationship with each other and sleeping around in the party would cause scandal. At least one man was executed by other party members when a woman comrade reported him, though there might have been some SA behavior going on in that case. I’m pretty sure that the CPC was similar in that regard too. I also believe Trotsky had somewhat of a “reputation” within the Bolsheviks for that sort of thing, which seems to indicate it wasn’t that common there either (or that could have just been made up one of his many haters).

      Not saying it never happened in history but ultimately people should be there to work and it’s the same problems with dating at work, and those problems multiply when you’re trying to run the party as an honest to marx people’s liberation army. It did seem more acceptable later when those parties transformed into government bureaucracy though.

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      the sex cult pattern isn’t just a rare occurance unfortunately. it’s practically inevitable in any organization which 1) asks that its members become deeply emotionally invested, 2) places emphasis on stability, unity, and not rocking the boat, and 3) concentrates real power in the hands of those few with the most time, energy, and charisma. Mainstream political parties notably give salaries to the people who keep the party actually running. This allows individual members to subsist on more than the good feelings they get from seeing their friends at meetings, as well staves off the fear that the entire organization might collapse if an abuser is challenged.

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    Tbf, I definitely do more organizing than reading. But lately I’ve realized I’m useless in certain groups and situations without a little more reading under my belt.

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    Gazans have a shared living experience. I have 2 gay men who are repeatedly “adopting” their niece’s mistake children and work as feds for the Canadian military as neighbours.

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      Sucks living here 'cause all the bourgeois freaks from Ottawa are spilling out here to get the cheaper real estate while bringing their equally awful shitlib politics. So it’s them and freakish Canadian QAnoner types.

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      An org is just a group of people that do work together and have a name. It might be a political party, it might be a group focused on a specific thing that approaches it from a socialist perspective, it might just be four people trying to figure out what they want to do but they know it should be socialist.

      You join one by talking to people and asking them if you can join.

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      Joining a political organization that fights for better rights. In this context, a socialist org/party working towards building a socialist nation

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      Figure out the communist and communist-aligned groups in your area, get on their mailing lists, turn out to do the things they ask of you sometimes. Try to make a compromise between good politics, successfully doing things in the real world, and being a larger org. Find out which orgs meet those criteria by going to their things. Once you’re sure which org(s) are good, ask them how you can get more involved.

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        Let’s get this one out of the way: what are peoples hot takes on these orgs off the top of my head?

        • DSA
        • Working Families Party
        • Local Democrats
        • CPUSA
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      An example would be joining the IWW. You pay dues, show up to meeting, talk about politics with people, and try to organize your workplace or help other people organize theirs.

      A bunch of other orgs are basically like that, except instead of workplace organizing it might be electioneering or selling newspapers.

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        Hmm interesting. So IWW is a union, and I can join it, and potentially get its support if my workplace decides to unionize?

        I’m in education, but not an educator, and so not in a union. Its a small dept, and I doubt it’ll ever unionize, the wage and benefits are probably the best in the state. I’ve never understood why the tech/office people in edu (in my state anyway) are always out of the union loop.

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        selling newspapers

        Not really something that is going to fly these days, you’ll just look like a Jehova Witness. Especially in Poland, for some reason the amount of them has skyrocketed in my city. Since we are living in the internet age, organizations should definitely learn how to use it to their benefit. Adapting to the times and all that.

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          That doesn’t stop orgs in my area! There’s even a few IWW papers, but they’re more directed towards wobs and other’s that already share our ideological leaning. But yeah, distributing newspapers isn’t very effective.

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    This post was literally the push that got me to join an org, literally just now.

    …Well, I started the process of joining an org just now - it’s going to take a few days - but you get the idea.

    By Jove, 2024 will be the year that I go from “Internet shitposter with good opinions” to “Proper Revolutionary”. One of my resolutions for 2024 was in fact to join an org, but I’ve been trying to be a Stakhanovite with my one-year plans, going a bit ahead of schedule!

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    I mean wasn’t Russian literacy super fucking low pre-Lenin? Many of the greatest revolutions ever done were done by illiterate people. Reading theory is good, but some people here treat it as far too important.

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      Just because people were illiterate or had low literacy levels doesn’t mean they didn’t engage in theory though. This is also why vanguardism was so important to historical revolutions.

      But you only need one comrade who can read for a classroom sized group of people (or larger) to be able to learn and discuss theory.

      Part of what Mao did so successfully was to convey complex ideas in theory in very simple to understand language. In fact, he was so effective in doing this that most of his writings manage to cross a vast linguistic gap in a very nimble way.

      Theory isn’t the be-all and end-all, of course. But a party or the masses without theory is like a ship without a rudder.

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      Those trying to build up the socialist movement early on were all heavy readers though. They need to be. Most of us live in a country where the movement is in the infantile stages

      If a revolution does ever come to America, 99% of participants will have never read a single communist book, yea

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      Back then, it would’ve been, like, the one guy at the factory who knows how to read, reading things to fellow workers, right? So reading theory would’ve been to a large degree a social activity back then, whereas now it’s often a pretty lonely activity. Even if you aren’t just reading alone, but are doing a book club or something… a book club isn’t quite the same when it’s 12 people from around the world on Discord, compared to when it’s 12 people in the room with you. And even if you’re going through the effort of making the information you learn more accessible to others, making an audiobook for the consumption of countless anonymous people online isn’t quite the same as reading something to someone in person; nor is translating a work and publishing it online quite the same as actually going through the effort of making a translation in paper and giving it to someone.

      Basically what I’m getting at is that “theory” can and should be praxis in itself, and this is achieved by changing the ways we interact with and think of “theory”. That is, sharing information can itself be a productive, creative, and social activity grounded in our immediate surroundings, that builds the networks and skills to make us good revolutionaries, rather than just giving us explanations of why the world’s kinda messed up so that we can debate with internet strangers to prove who’s more well-read.

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    Like the Chad/Chaz zones in 2020? They tried already. Would have been cool to see that stay real just to see what would happen… But it got slaughtered by fear of differences. And I’m not saying this as a “communist”. Fear, difference and lack of faith is murder of real freedom. And that’s something we’re all reminded of daily regardless of sides.

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      Chaz failed because it was a spontaneous uprising that devolved into a disorganised mess due to ideological incoherence which led to it having no proper resident organisational structure and thus no authority to administer or govern the pop up municipality without being capable of demonstrating a popular mandate of the residents. Not because autonomous zones are a bad idea.

      If the ideological contradictions had been resolved then proper organisation could have occurred, a council could have been formed of the residents, and a real structure of authority built. This would have solved the vast number of problems that occurred as a result of the authority power-vacuum that formed.

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        I think I agree with that. I wanted to see what happened if they let it run it’s course without all the political bullshit.

        Even as a social experiment. Like if the gov struck deals with the homes and businesses to let it ride out…